"Kiel inbound" plotted course option doesn't work properly

Sailor Steve · 03-15-12, 04:00 PM

Where exactly do you mean by "start point"? There is a plot point outside the canal.

On the other hand I never use it, but always do my own plotting, so what do I know?

Mittelwaechter · 03-15-12, 04:57 PM

All pre-plotted courses are dependent on your own course of approach. Your last waypoint has to be in the south-west sector of the Kiel-Canal-Inbound waypoint to unfold into it's opposite (north-east) quadrant.

Tinman764 · 03-15-12, 05:09 PM

Not to derail the thread, but I've always wondered if it's possible to influence the direction of the automatic search pattern, it never seems to go in the direction I want.

Mittelwaechter · 03-15-12, 06:19 PM

Your heading into the first waypoint of the plotted course decides the way the course unfolds.

Say the crossing point of an x and y axis is the first defined point of the pre-plotted course.
The cross defines four sectors or quadrants, counting 1 to 4 clockwise from upper left to lower left.
The course unfolds into the diagonal opposite sector.

If you come from quadrant 4 (south-west) the pre-plotted course will unfold upwards and to the right - into sector 2.
If you come from quadrant 1 (north-west) the course will unfold downwards and to the right.
If you want it to unfold upwards and to the left you have to come from sector 3 (south-east).

If still unclear I can draw a sketch.

Mittelwaechter · 03-15-12, 06:24 PM

Your heading into the first waypoint of the plotted course decides the way the course unfolds.

Say the crossing point of an x and y axis is the first defined point of the pre-plotted course.
The cross defines four sectors or quadrants, counting 1 to 4 clockwise from upper left to lower left.
The course unfolds into the diagonal opposite sector.

If you come from quadrant 4 (south-west) the pre-plotted course will unfold upwards and to the right - into sector 2.
If you come from quadrant 1 (north-west) the course will unfold downwards and to the right.
If you want it to unfold upwards and to the left you have to come from sector 3 (south-east).

If still unclear I can draw a sketch.

EDIT: I'm a bit confused myself right now, because it's been a while I used the feature and I think it was even a bit more complicated.
Will try to research...

Gargamel · 03-15-12, 07:09 PM

For mw:

If your course is NW, then finish point will be to the NW.

As to OP:

Inbound means you are returning FROM the north sea. Your map should have a start point already indicated. Start your inbound course there. Out bound takes you from the dock to the north sea.

Mittelwaechter · 03-15-12, 07:53 PM

Ockham's razor leads to Gargamel's most elegant explanation.

Raptor · 03-15-12, 09:34 PM

The automated course doesn't work if you use the Start at Sea mod. You'll go aground quickly.

03-15-12, 04:00 PM	#1
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Where exactly do you mean by "start point"? There is a plot point outside the canal. On the other hand I never use it, but always do my own plotting, so what do I know? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

03-15-12, 04:57 PM	#2
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	All pre-plotted courses are dependent on your own course of approach. Your last waypoint has to be in the south-west sector of the Kiel-Canal-Inbound waypoint to unfold into it's opposite (north-east) quadrant. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE

03-15-12, 06:19 PM	#4
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Your heading into the first waypoint of the plotted course decides the way the course unfolds. Say the crossing point of an x and y axis is the first defined point of the pre-plotted course. The cross defines four sectors or quadrants, counting 1 to 4 clockwise from upper left to lower left. The course unfolds into the diagonal opposite sector. If you come from quadrant 4 (south-west) the pre-plotted course will unfold upwards and to the right - into sector 2. If you come from quadrant 1 (north-west) the course will unfold downwards and to the right. If you want it to unfold upwards and to the left you have to come from sector 3 (south-east). If still unclear I can draw a sketch. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE

03-15-12, 06:24 PM	#5
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Your heading into the first waypoint of the plotted course decides the way the course unfolds. Say the crossing point of an x and y axis is the first defined point of the pre-plotted course. The cross defines four sectors or quadrants, counting 1 to 4 clockwise from upper left to lower left. The course unfolds into the diagonal opposite sector. If you come from quadrant 4 (south-west) the pre-plotted course will unfold upwards and to the right - into sector 2. If you come from quadrant 1 (north-west) the course will unfold downwards and to the right. If you want it to unfold upwards and to the left you have to come from sector 3 (south-east). If still unclear I can draw a sketch. EDIT: I'm a bit confused myself right now, because it's been a while I used the feature and I think it was even a bit more complicated. Will try to research... __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE Last edited by Mittelwaechter; 03-15-12 at 06:46 PM.

03-15-12, 07:09 PM	#6
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	For mw: If your course is NW, then finish point will be to the NW. As to OP: Inbound means you are returning FROM the north sea. Your map should have a start point already indicated. Start your inbound course there. Out bound takes you from the dock to the north sea. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

03-15-12, 05:09 PM	#3
Tinman764 Chief Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: U-32's Wintergarten Posts: 325 Downloads: 182 Uploads: 0	Not to derail the thread, but I've always wondered if it's possible to influence the direction of the automatic search pattern, it never seems to go in the direction I want.

03-15-12, 07:53 PM	#7
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Ockham's razor leads to Gargamel's most elegant explanation. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE

03-15-12, 09:34 PM	#8
Raptor Weps Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Pacific NW, USA Posts: 350 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	The automated course doesn't work if you use the Start at Sea mod. You'll go aground quickly. __________________ Raptor