The real issue at hand in the Limbaugh/Fluke controversy

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I disagree wholeheartedly. First, it's no big news that Limbaugh is an entertainer, and pretty much a terrible person. While I agree with much of what he says on a theoretical level, how he says it is irresponsible, mean, and downright uncivil. He's embarrasing. And he's hypocritical. I remember years ago how he would rant and rave about Ted Kennedy's alchohol habits, pretty much ripping him apart. Which is ok, except Limbaugh has his own substance abuse issues.

And his comments about this woman were way across the line--and stupid. Where does he get this idea that she's having "lots of sex". You pretty much have to take the pill every day, regardless of how often you engage in sex.

As for the "religious freedom" aspect of this, I don't understand at all how religious people think everything is about them and their religion. So what if insurance covers contraception. That's great! It means fewer unwanted pregnancies and fewer abortions. Hell, I am all in favor of free birth control for everybody, and I hope they use it.

Well her claim about $3,000 a year is total bull.I remember my ex spent $50 a month, does not add up.I have heard others mention can get it for $20, sure the numbers are a little different depending on insurance, or lack there of etc etc but nowhere near three grand, just an outrageous figure from a democratic/feminist operative with an agenda, not the all american student the Dems tried to make her out to be.I believe Limbaugh was lampooning her ridiculous claims as the sarcasm in his voice was pretty easy to detect.I found his remarks somewhat amusing as did many others but as usual the fems, the dems and others who can't handle satire etc because it offends their politically correct sensibilities are just full of "moral outrage" and self righteous indignation.

The religious freedom aspect, which is the real issue not contraception itself, is a constitutional right.The federal government has absolutely no authority under the constitution to require a church to pay for something or do anything that is against it's own teachings.A church buys health insurance but does not want their policy to cover contraception, that is their right to do so.

I am an atheist and very much a fan of contraception BUT this is not about my opinion or yours, it is about not allowing the government to once again violate the constitutional rights of others.Some may say "so what?" government gets a pass because it's just those silly religious people.Well that sets a precedent and they will do it again in the future, next time you may be your or I because some fool like obama decides he knows better than us.That is why we have a bill of rights, to protect us.

I always think of the Martin Niemoller quote "

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out --
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me."


I find religious people to be morons usually, some are more intelligent than others but they certainly lack some intellect to believe in the fairy tale that is religion and I mean pretty much any religion.Sure. church is a big thing in many cultures and it is difficult to pull away, I grew up in the south so am well aware of that but I evolved away from that nonsense and that is my right, to be an atheist and not have the government involved in my religious life or lack thereof.Well, religious people have a right to the same protections.Like I said in the OP, people like Obama know this(for all things he is, he is not stupid really, he knows the constitution, just dislikes it unless it serves him which is rare as most liberal's views are contrary to the constitution) but just decided to be intellectually dishonest OR they shift the subject as they did this time.I do admire their political skill in this one as the sympathetic press really picked up on it and changed the discussion.

Well her claim about $3,000 a year is total bull.

Wow, maths not your strong point either then.

Bubbles, are you trying to prove in simple stages that you are absolutely clueless about the issue as well as clueless about the constitution?

BTW you previously said you were going to show that last "constitutional experts" piece to your teachers of law, which raises two questions.....
did you and have they stopped laughing yet?

I always think of the Martin Niemoller quote

priceless

I find religious people to be morons usually

So you have insulted women and the religious, which blanket segment of humans are you coming for next?

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I find religious people to be morons usually, some are more intelligent than others but they certainly lack some intellect to believe in the fairy tale that is religion and I mean pretty much any religion.

I bet you're really popular at school.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I find religious people to be morons usually

Prominent figures in history were religious people. The everyday Joe is a religious person. There were the folks that believed in something greater than themselves including a country free to do as one wants. The same freedoms you enjoy today. Morons...

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Prominent figures in history were religious people. The everyday Joe is a religious person. There were the folks that believed in something greater than themselves including a country free to do as one wants. The same freedoms you enjoy today. Morons...

Morons indeed. I wish I could be a moron, too. But I'm too selfish.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Prominent figures in history were religious people. The everyday Joe is a religious person. There were the folks that believed in something greater than themselves including a country free to do as one wants. The same freedoms you enjoy today. Morons...

Indeed. Isaac Newton was religious. So was Johann Sebastian Bach. Louis Pateur, the Wright Brothers, astronaut Jim Irwin, George Washington and even Bubblehead's own beloved Ronald Reagan were all noted adherents to religion. This list of great and brilliant people who were also religious goes on and on.

[mookiemookie]

You guys and your pesky "facts" are getting in the way of Bubs' mission to offend every group of people on the planet.

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

This list of great and brilliant people who were also religious goes on and on.

It doesn't even have to be black&white "religious / not religious" mentality. Machiavelli, for example, was fairly critical towards Christianity and yet sited Moses as a kind of a great person needed to build a flourishing republic. To him the characters of the Bible likely were historical persons, much like he considered Lycurgus of Sparta such great person.

What a moron, huh?

[Torplexed]

On a side note a bust of Rush Limbaugh is to be installed in St. Louis.

House Speaker Steve Tilley, R-Perryville, intends to honor Limbaugh with a place in the Hall of Famous Missourians, a ring of busts in the Capitol rotunda recognizing prominent Missourians.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/g...1a44b87fa.html

Tilley defended his decision by saying "It's not the Hall of Universally Loved Missourians. It's the Hall of Famous Missourians." Does that mean Jesse James or James Earl Ray will qualify?

I wonder how much will it cost Missouri taxpayers every time it's vandalized?

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

On a side note a bust of Rush Limbaugh is to be installed in St. Louis.

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

My compliments to the cartoonist.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

Does that mean Jesse James or James Earl Ray will qualify?

Great point!

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Great point!

Jesse James would but Ray doesn't have much name recognition nowadays.