Cracking open the bug nest: 13 tons bunker buster

Skybird · 03-09-12, 03:14 PM

The video reveals nothing on the penetration capacity of this new bomb. Two layers of what looks like 1 m or so concrete, with empty space betwene them, in no way compare to 65 m of dense armoured material like steel concrete, solid mountain rock, or anything like that.

And the comment also said something that rang my alarm, their remark that the bomb was announced one week after the latest report about Iran hiding new facilities in mountains. It sounds as if the author of this anouncement wanted to disarm any alarm calls and any words of warning over Iran making its program invulnerable: "See, they can run, but they cannot hide from our new superbomb. No need to attack right now. We still have time left."

Penetrating 65 m of massive concrete or mountain rock, geez, come to your sense, try tio imagine that! I think it is a massive propaganda stunt designed to avoid a conclusion that Iran either is allowed to become invulnerable with its program or needs to be struck right now. Obama certainbly wants now war against Iran right now, before being reelected. But the Israelis maybe cannot wait that long anymore. Obama's detemnrination on Iran I question since very long, and that the West imo is more or less openly anti-Israel anyway.

I fear that the dislike for needing to wage war on Iran will determine the issue in favour of Iran, and that the decision to arrange oneself with a nuclear race in the ME and with a nuclear armed Iran already has been made.

And Obama's words?

Words - that is air in motion.

I do not trust him, not after his foolish Cairo-speech at the latest.

In case these bombs are as effective as claimed, I only hope that Obama allows them to be delivered to Israel, like Israel has put an order for them just recently. If he does not, then we can safely assume that Obama will protect Iran from Western strikes, no matter what his motives are. And that he is accepting a nuclear armed Iran and a nuclear race in the ME with all the risks involved.

Jimbuna · 03-09-12, 03:42 PM

Are you being serious about Obama accepting a nuclear Iran?

Iran has been issued fair warning regarding the wests concerns and possible actions...whilst it is possible they may have their nuclear merchandise too deep for an effective strike (even by that bomb should it actually exist), Israel certainly has enough capability to bury the underground sites making them out of reach for a long time.

The point I'm making is....if they can't be destroyed, they can certainly be contained and made out of reach to those who created them.

Skybird · 03-09-12, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Are you being serious about Obama accepting a nuclear Iran?

Iran has been issued fair warning regarding the wests concerns and possible actions...whilst it is possible they may have their nuclear merchandise too deep for an effective strike (even by that bomb should it actually exist), Israel certainly has enough capability to bury the underground sites making them out of reach for a long time.

The point I'm making is....if they can't be destroyed, they can certainly be contained and made out of reach to those who created them.

I do not trust Obama's speeches. His latest remarks on Iran, on determination and diplomacy, to me were a clear display of self-contradiction.

I think he will put his own political and campaign interests first. He already plays with the fire, as I see it. And I think he will not attack Iran before getting re-elected, even if after november it is too late. Whether he would strike after November in case Iran is still vulnerable then, also is an open question to me. Maybe he would, maybe not. But not before being re-elected.

Whether he will jump in if the Israelis start all malone without asking for his kind permission, is something different. He probably cannot afford to not fight then. But he will not learn to love Israel any more for that.

In other words I do not give much for Obama's words. I never did, even when I admitted he held a speech again that impressed the crowds. I admit he is a gifted speaker, but that means nothing more than rethorics.

And rethorics are no arguments, but the compensation for lack of arguments. Sometimes amusing, but almost never constructive.

Skybird · 03-09-12, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

The point I'm making is....if they can't be destroyed, they can certainly be contained and made out of reach to those who created them.

It's not difficult to hide a small suitcase with some weapoin-capable material. You even do not need a big bunker anymore - but you can blackmail others to your liking.

Once Iran has enough nuclear material to build a bomb, no matter whether a terror bomb in s suitcase, or a warhgead for a missile, it will be too late. Any kind of military action then will make no sense anymore.

eddie · 03-09-12, 06:34 PM

Can't you just feel it in the air!?! Everyone is waiting for someone to jump down his throat with both feet!

I'll pass for now, but I can't speak for others around here.

We go from talking about whether or not a certain bomb exsists, to a political diatribe from a soapbox! Sheeesh!

Commander Mysenses · 03-10-12, 03:41 AM

Interesting to note penetration jumps from 60m to 60 feet depending on source..... mixups like that crash probes into Mars at 150,000 mph!

Karle94 · 03-10-12, 08:32 AM

You say that the MOP should be delivered to Israel, right? But they haven`t any planes that can deliver the bomb. The only bombers in USAF arsenal that can carry that bomb is the B-52 and B-2.

Skybird · 03-10-12, 10:07 AM

Good point. So we have news on the arrival of a new big bomb of 13 tons weight, and we have news on Netanjahu having told Obama he wants a new set of nunker busters.

Whether both news refer to one and the same type of ordnance we do not know, do we? Maybe he ordered another type of bomb - or those new ones that the essay is mentioning, a bomb one third the size of the 13 tons-thing, but with the same destructive power.

03-09-12, 03:14 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,650 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The video reveals nothing on the penetration capacity of this new bomb. Two layers of what looks like 1 m or so concrete, with empty space betwene them, in no way compare to 65 m of dense armoured material like steel concrete, solid mountain rock, or anything like that. And the comment also said something that rang my alarm, their remark that the bomb was announced one week after the latest report about Iran hiding new facilities in mountains. It sounds as if the author of this anouncement wanted to disarm any alarm calls and any words of warning over Iran making its program invulnerable: "See, they can run, but they cannot hide from our new superbomb. No need to attack right now. We still have time left." Penetrating 65 m of massive concrete or mountain rock, geez, come to your sense, try tio imagine that! I think it is a massive propaganda stunt designed to avoid a conclusion that Iran either is allowed to become invulnerable with its program or needs to be struck right now. Obama certainbly wants now war against Iran right now, before being reelected. But the Israelis maybe cannot wait that long anymore. Obama's detemnrination on Iran I question since very long, and that the West imo is more or less openly anti-Israel anyway. I fear that the dislike for needing to wage war on Iran will determine the issue in favour of Iran, and that the decision to arrange oneself with a nuclear race in the ME and with a nuclear armed Iran already has been made. And Obama's words? Words - that is air in motion. I do not trust him, not after his foolish Cairo-speech at the latest. In case these bombs are as effective as claimed, I only hope that Obama allows them to be delivered to Israel, like Israel has put an order for them just recently. If he does not, then we can safely assume that Obama will protect Iran from Western strikes, no matter what his motives are. And that he is accepting a nuclear armed Iran and a nuclear race in the ME with all the risks involved. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-09-12, 03:42 PM	#2
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,615 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Are you being serious about Obama accepting a nuclear Iran? Iran has been issued fair warning regarding the wests concerns and possible actions...whilst it is possible they may have their nuclear merchandise too deep for an effective strike (even by that bomb should it actually exist), Israel certainly has enough capability to bury the underground sites making them out of reach for a long time. The point I'm making is....if they can't be destroyed, they can certainly be contained and made out of reach to those who created them. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-09-12, 06:34 PM	#5
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	Can't you just feel it in the air!?! Everyone is waiting for someone to jump down his throat with both feet! I'll pass for now, but I can't speak for others around here. We go from talking about whether or not a certain bomb exsists, to a political diatribe from a soapbox! Sheeesh! __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

03-10-12, 08:32 AM	#7
Karle94 The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Norseland Posts: 1,355 Downloads: 253 Uploads: 0	You say that the MOP should be delivered to Israel, right? But they haven`t any planes that can deliver the bomb. The only bombers in USAF arsenal that can carry that bomb is the B-52 and B-2. __________________ Find my mods here: https://www.mediafire.com/folder/lzgciodldp58p/SH4_Mods My SH4 blog here: http://karle94.blogspot.com/

03-10-12, 10:07 AM	#8
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,650 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Good point. So we have news on the arrival of a new big bomb of 13 tons weight, and we have news on Netanjahu having told Obama he wants a new set of nunker busters. Whether both news refer to one and the same type of ordnance we do not know, do we? Maybe he ordered another type of bomb - or those new ones that the essay is mentioning, a bomb one third the size of the 13 tons-thing, but with the same destructive power. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-10-12, 03:41 AM	#6
Commander Mysenses Navy Dude Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: AM98 - Rounding Hartland Point and sneaking up the Bristol Channel Posts: 173 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Interesting to note penetration jumps from 60m to 60 feet depending on source..... mixups like that crash probes into Mars at 150,000 mph!