And yet gasoline prices rise - Page 4

kraznyi_oktjabr · 03-02-12, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Looks like the same route Ducimus posted

Better?

Ducimus · 03-02-12, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jumpy

lol
Well, I've had one or two jobs with that kind of commute mileage here in the UK. Hell, some of our contracts managers used to do almost a hundred miles each way to head office 4 days a week.

Hold that thought....

Don't you folks have mass transportation? Trains, subway's and such?

We don't have those in any quantity to speak of.

jumpy · 03-02-12, 05:36 PM

^^

Sure we do, but outside of say, London or maybe Birmingham, they're practically useless if you have to get anywhere by a specific time. Plus getting in and out of my home city on the bus costs about the same as paying for fuel in a car every week, with the added bonus of being late every day.

The Tube in london is great. But it's over a hundred miles away from me, so it's not much use

Public transport in this country is a joke.
Over priced buses and decrepit railways, which are over priced too... It's all that privatisation you know.
We went from having an unreliable transport service that was cheap (read government subsidised - like germany and france and most of europe do with theirs), to having an unreliable transport service that is now prohibitively expensive for a lot of people.
Owning your own vehicle and fuelling it is getting that way now too; steady rises in insurance premiums, road tax and fuel duty - lets be clear: were it not for each and every government here adding 2/3's of the cost of every litre of fuel at the pump as tax/fuel duty, I wouldn't have half as much to lambaste as I do.

Ducimus · 03-02-12, 06:55 PM

Yeah, and just how much idling do ya do? Hmmm?

Here's some pictures of that same commute i linked to earlier.

Thank F'ing god i don't drive that anymore. I did that for 5 freaking years. It's a wonder I have any sanity left.

Buddahaid · 03-02-12, 07:28 PM

What was that about supply and demand? Looks like the supply is there if we can afford to export it so no drilling or Mideast oil needed. It all a shell game.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1177559.html

03-02-12, 08:15 PM

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We went from having an unreliable transport service that was cheap (read government subsidised - like germany and france and most of europe do with theirs), to having an unreliable transport service that is now prohibitively expensive for a lot of people.

Don't forget the cherry on the cake of thatchers ideology.
You now have an unintegrated expensive privatised transport services that gets even more subsidies from the taxpayer than the cheaper nationalised service got.

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What was that about supply and demand? Looks like the supply is there if we can afford to export it

Looks like the demand is there as people are buying it.
If you didn't export it then you couldn't afford it as the price would go even higher.

CaptainHaplo · 03-03-12, 01:22 AM

I dont mind gas prices much - only because I don't have to buy gas with my own money. Corporate vehicle and corporate card is rather nice. I get ALOT of windshield time, and so I just grab my kids on the way home after work, etc - because its all on my way anyways.

I will say this, its really helped my budget.

~ $70 bucks a pop to fill up the vehicle - and I have to do so at least every other day. Call it $800 a month in pure gas costs.... But then again, if I was using my own vehicle - I'd be getting 52 cents a mile - so I'd break even given wear and tear on the car.

Still, its a rip off and then some.

Now - to the debate. Supply and demand has a lot to do with it. But not "LIVE" supply and demand. This is why "drill" alone won't work, you have to build the refineries - course that would be more high paying jobs and more exportable energy along with lower domestic costs - but that would depress the futures "costs" - so its not going to happen.

Don't fool yourself - ecological concerns have little to do with the lack of drilling and refining in the US. Sure, its what is used as cover - same with the XL pipeline. The reality - you have excess energy, the price of said energy source goes down - meaning a lot of very powerful speculators are going to get caught short and lose their tails. THIS is why you don't see a true energy policy.

Want to fix it - stop the speculation. Let the deals that are done complete, but allow no more going forward. At that point, the speculators no longer have an interest in keeping the price high and climbing (which keeps them making money) and thus don't have a reason to pressure the leadership of BOTH parties to not use the resources we have.

Stealhead · 03-03-12, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Have a read of 'One Second After'.

I did not say that an EMP is impossible just one of many possible "hit the fan" as some like to say possibilities it is just one thing on the list really it might happen it might not happen.You could say I am a bit of a prepper myself all though I kind of just like living off the grid more so than overly worry about some end of it all situation I just do grow a lot of my own food but that is because I like fresh food and so dose my wife so if something goes bad we be to some extent dong what we normally do.

I heard that the last really strong solar one occurred in the 19th century when only a few things like telegraphs used electricity.

I at the authors page I take him with a grain of salt when I see him on FOX News.

@CaptainHaplo don't count on that company vehicle and gas forever many companies have been getting much stricter I work in refrigeration and the company I work for used to be they let you drive the trucks home now they make you leave them at the shop unless you have a job that day that is on the other end of the state or out of state.I know a lot of guys in other mechanical feilds that require a truck and the same goes for many of them a few years ago this would have been unheard off.I have a cousin that is a partner in a business insurance firm in Ft.Lauderdale they sat down and looked at costs and one of the things they cut back on was gas cards and such they got much stricter.

Oberon · 03-03-12, 10:41 AM

Oh, I misinterpreted your post, my bad...but yeah, it's a pretty remote scenario, but not one that I'd rule out easily...but at least it's not something that, like you say, will effect the whole globe...but certainly it would be enough to screw up any Western nation it did hit.
The author may be taken with a pinch of salt, and some parts of the book do seem a bit...well...yeah...an advertisement for a bigger military budget, but it is an eye-opener and he obviously did his reading.

Sailor Steve · 03-03-12, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

We don't have those in any quantity to speak of.

Maybe not down in Happy Valley, but up here in the real Utah I can ride the train and bus all over town. Until 20:00 hours, when they shut down. And the one I need doesn't run on Sundays. And it takes me two hours to get anywhere I need to go. And they don't match well, so I have a mile-and-a-half walk home from band practice.

But we have them! So there!

Sailor Steve · 03-03-12, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jumpy

Considering the price of petrol and diesel here in the UK, all of you over the pond can shut the hell up about how much 'gas' costs

Your petrol prices aren't any higher than ours. Your government, on the other hand, adds five times the amount that ours does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_tax

kraznyi_oktjabr · 03-03-12, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Maybe not down in Happy Valley, but up here in the real Utah I can ride the train and bus all over town. Until 20:00 hours, when they shut down. And the one I need doesn't run on Sundays. And it takes me two hours to get anywhere I need to go. And they don't match well, so I have a mile-and-a-half walk home from band practice.

But we have them! So there!

How big city you live in Steve? In my town there is 130,000 people which of about 80,000 lives in city area. Here public transport works from 05.00-02.00 during week (some services start earlier in morning, some shutdown earlier in evening). I live in neigbourhood about 6 km (3,7 mi) from centre and between 05.00-18.00 bus goes every 10 min and between 18.00-01.00 every 20 min.

Catfish · 03-03-12, 02:30 PM

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"Over priced buses and decrepit railways, which are over priced too... It's all that privatisation you know."

"Don't forget the cherry on the cake of thatchers ideology.
You now have an unintegrated expensive privatised transport services that gets even more subsidies from the taxpayer than the cheaper nationalised service got."

"Want to fix it - stop the speculation. Let the deals that are done complete, but allow no more going forward. At that point, the speculators no longer have an interest in keeping the price high and climbing (which keeps them making money) and thus don't have a reason to pressure the leadership of BOTH parties to not use the resources we have."

You are all COMMUNISTS !!

kraznyi_oktjabr · 03-03-12, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

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"Over priced buses and decrepit railways, which are over priced too... It's all that privatisation you know."

"Don't forget the cherry on the cake of thatchers ideology.
You now have an unintegrated expensive privatised transport services that gets even more subsidies from the taxpayer than the cheaper nationalised service got."

"Want to fix it - stop the speculation. Let the deals that are done complete, but allow no more going forward. At that point, the speculators no longer have an interest in keeping the price high and climbing (which keeps them making money) and thus don't have a reason to pressure the leadership of BOTH parties to not use the resources we have."

You are all COMMUNISTS !!

Feel free to come here in Finland and check service quality of our railways. I used to adjust my watch based on train's arrival on station as they were usually within few seconds of correct time. Nowadays they are within 5 min in good day, within 30 min in normal day and within few hours in bad days.

EDIT: Above is about long range trains including regional, express, intercity and pendolino trains.

Sailor Steve · 03-03-12, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

How big city you live in Steve? In my town there is 130,000 people which of about 80,000 lives in city area. Here public transport works from 05.00-02.00 during week (some services start earlier in morning, some shutdown earlier in evening). I live in neigbourhood about 6 km (3,7 mi) from centre and between 05.00-18.00 bus goes every 10 min and between 18.00-01.00 every 20 min.

Salt Lake City is only 186,000, but the Salt Lake Valley has 1.25 million people in 16 cities.

UTA (Utah Transit Authority) likes to brag about the awards they've won, and for the most part it's a pretty good system. That said, sometimes it's a huge pain in the neck, and they scheduled the buses where I need to go so it seems like they want to make it worse, not better.

03-02-12, 05:36 PM	#48
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	^^ Sure we do, but outside of say, London or maybe Birmingham, they're practically useless if you have to get anywhere by a specific time. Plus getting in and out of my home city on the bus costs about the same as paying for fuel in a car every week, with the added bonus of being late every day. The Tube in london is great. But it's over a hundred miles away from me, so it's not much use Public transport in this country is a joke. Over priced buses and decrepit railways, which are over priced too... It's all that privatisation you know. We went from having an unreliable transport service that was cheap (read government subsidised - like germany and france and most of europe do with theirs), to having an unreliable transport service that is now prohibitively expensive for a lot of people. Owning your own vehicle and fuelling it is getting that way now too; steady rises in insurance premiums, road tax and fuel duty - lets be clear: were it not for each and every government here adding 2/3's of the cost of every litre of fuel at the pump as tax/fuel duty, I wouldn't have half as much to lambaste as I do. __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

03-02-12, 07:28 PM	#50
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,331 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	What was that about supply and demand? Looks like the supply is there if we can afford to export it so no drilling or Mideast oil needed. It all a shell game. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1177559.html __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

03-03-12, 01:22 AM	#52
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	I dont mind gas prices much - only because I don't have to buy gas with my own money. Corporate vehicle and corporate card is rather nice. I get ALOT of windshield time, and so I just grab my kids on the way home after work, etc - because its all on my way anyways. I will say this, its really helped my budget. ~ $70 bucks a pop to fill up the vehicle - and I have to do so at least every other day. Call it $800 a month in pure gas costs.... But then again, if I was using my own vehicle - I'd be getting 52 cents a mile - so I'd break even given wear and tear on the car. Still, its a rip off and then some. Now - to the debate. Supply and demand has a lot to do with it. But not "LIVE" supply and demand. This is why "drill" alone won't work, you have to build the refineries - course that would be more high paying jobs and more exportable energy along with lower domestic costs - but that would depress the futures "costs" - so its not going to happen. Don't fool yourself - ecological concerns have little to do with the lack of drilling and refining in the US. Sure, its what is used as cover - same with the XL pipeline. The reality - you have excess energy, the price of said energy source goes down - meaning a lot of very powerful speculators are going to get caught short and lose their tails. THIS is why you don't see a true energy policy. Want to fix it - stop the speculation. Let the deals that are done complete, but allow no more going forward. At that point, the speculators no longer have an interest in keeping the price high and climbing (which keeps them making money) and thus don't have a reason to pressure the leadership of BOTH parties to not use the resources we have. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

03-02-12, 06:55 PM	#49
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Yeah, and just how much idling do ya do? Hmmm? Here's some pictures of that same commute i linked to earlier. Thank F'ing god i don't drive that anymore. I did that for 5 freaking years. It's a wonder I have any sanity left.

03-03-12, 10:41 AM	#54
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Oh, I misinterpreted your post, my bad...but yeah, it's a pretty remote scenario, but not one that I'd rule out easily...but at least it's not something that, like you say, will effect the whole globe...but certainly it would be enough to screw up any Western nation it did hit. The author may be taken with a pinch of salt, and some parts of the book do seem a bit...well...yeah...an advertisement for a bigger military budget, but it is an eye-opener and he obviously did his reading.

03-03-12, 02:30 PM	#58
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,797 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	: "Over priced buses and decrepit railways, which are over priced too... It's all that privatisation you know." "Don't forget the cherry on the cake of thatchers ideology. You now have an unintegrated expensive privatised transport services that gets even more subsidies from the taxpayer than the cheaper nationalised service got." "Want to fix it - stop the speculation. Let the deals that are done complete, but allow no more going forward. At that point, the speculators no longer have an interest in keeping the price high and climbing (which keeps them making money) and thus don't have a reason to pressure the leadership of BOTH parties to not use the resources we have." You are all COMMUNISTS !!