Taliban website

Stealhead · 02-23-12, 11:04 PM

From a political stand point perhaps but not from a military standpoint the situation is very complex there are dozens of different tribal groups that dislike each other greatly not every Afghan likes the Taliban some hate both the Taliban and the US/NATO some are drug traffickers and have 3 enemies,NATO,Taliban and Iranian border guards.The Taliban IEDs in many regions wind up killing innocent Afghans and that makes them very unpopular in many places.

Karzai is nothing more than the mayor of Kabul his has no real power just because his regime says something does not mean that the populace agrees with it.

eddie · 02-24-12, 12:35 AM

I call them clowns because its the nicest thing I could call them

How they have a website, is beyond me!

How they fight a war doesn't mean a whole lot me, you see it in the news everyday. Using young boys under the age of 12, as suicide bombers speaks volumes on how useless to society they really are. Their tirbal mentality and tribal laws show how far down on the evolutionary ladder they are. A caveman on meth would act more civilized then they ever could!

I'm way passed caring about whats going on in Afghanistan. The only thing I look forward to is when we stop sending money to Karzai, and our troops come home!

Why should we help a country whose so called tribal laws condone this-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-attacker.html

And do a search on a recent court case in Canada, parents using their tribal laws to perform an honor killing of their daughter, because she was starting date a western boy, and hearing her mother call her a whore, and that she should be killed (In which her Father actually carried out the murder) for that.There is a guy here in the States who is being hunted for the same thing, but he killed all his daughters! I believe there were 3 of them.

Yeah, they are clowns and a whole lot worse!

Torplexed · 02-24-12, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by eddie

Why should we help a country whose so called tribal laws condone this-

Afghanistan is a country in name only. There has never been a strong central government. Afghanistan is a collection of feuding tribes ruled by warlords who have been at war with each other for thousands of years. Think Hatfields and McCoys on steroids. That works to our advantage as once we leave maybe they'll go back to killing each other.

TLAM Strike · 02-24-12, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Torplexed

...once we leave maybe they'll go back to killing each other.

These guys have been fighting some of the best military forces on the planet. When we leave and Kabul Kops are in charge they will be facing an enemy hardened by 10 years of combat against the best, they might just steam roll "our guys".

(I hate to compare them but...) the Taliban is like the Spartans or Klingon warriors. The ones who survive and succeed do so under the harshest conditions possible; their training is quite frequently combat, some are conscripted under the penalty of death, and encouraged commit acts of barbarism as their SOP. 10 years of war has weeded out a lot of the dumb ones among the really dedicated fighters (not talking the tribal militias or $10 Taliban) leaving a core force of some really nasty folks.

Skybird · 02-24-12, 02:32 AM

Why complaining that dogs balk? That's what dogs do. The way the Taliban fight is the result of the asymmetrical setting of the war, and that the Taliban do not subscribe to the Hague Land Warfare Convention. Any army facing an enemy not accepting these rules while accepting them for itself necessarily will find itself into trouble - for the assumed weaker side that is the whole idea behind waging asymmetrical warfare, by doing so it compensates its own deficits in strength and technology. One could even say to bring the enemy into trouble is the whole idea behind warfare in general, else you would not shoot at him.

But as in Iraq, the blame from my side goes at incompetent, hopelessly reality-disconnected political leaders who deny realities that they do not want and expose their troops to the risks of war over politically formulated objectives that are in total denial of what realistically could ever be acchieved.

I personally argue as usual: if you are at war, go for the enemy's throat, and do not let the presence of any unhappy bystander distract you from your target. That is war. It's not a picnic in the woods. It'S always injust to those being in the wrong place, at the wrong time. Now there the West is in Afghanistan. Oh so humane the intention, oh so idealistic the claims, oh so wonderful the plans. What has been acchieved? The enemy wins. What has been rebuilt temporarily, will get lost. It will have lived a short life only. Even more, our own leaders now contemplate the need to upvalue the enemy in his political credibility, and negotiate with this primitive rat pack on same eye level with us. They will hang children in the Kabul arena again, they will again supress women with medieval brutality, they will again help to export the ideologic poison of Islam to other conflicts and countries to help the Islamic jihad. Our own guys will return with bad memories on mind, many of them traumatised, some being dead, but we can always comfort ourselves with that we played by the rules, and that we had good intentions, and the most precious phrase of all: "at least we have tried".

That'S the self-excusing of loosers, gentlemen.

Next thing we will need to hear is politicians explaining us why we were so victorious in Afghanistan, and why it is reasonable to have installed the enemy in place, and why it all has to be seen as a great acchievement. Oh, and many will claim they are very optimistic for the future, that one always catches some voters' applaus en passant. And finally, my favourite: Karzai is our friend, Afghanistan is a great culture, and Pakistan is our ally.

Next time you go to war, pick you war more wisely, maybe, and when going in, do so by opening all gates to hell inside your mind. If you are not willing to do that, then maybe it is a stupid idea to go to war.

It may be a comic movie, but Quentin Tarrantino said it best in Kill Bill 1, and that scene remineded me of the teachings I received from my own mentor, who also was a Japanese and came from a family of Samurai, it could have been his own very words:

"For those regarded as warriors, when engaged in combat, the vanquishing of thine enemy can be the warrior's only concern. Suppress all human emotion and compassion. Kill whoever stands in thy way, even if that be Lord God or Buddha himself. This truth lies at the heart of the art of combat."

Ever draw your sword only when you intend to kill. Never put it back into the sheath without blood on it. That'S why I hate parades.

vienna · 02-24-12, 01:33 PM

I'm curious: do the Taliban have a Facebook site and, if so, how many "likes" do they have?...

TLAM Strike · 02-24-12, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by vienna

I'm curious: do the Taliban have a Facebook site and, if so, how many "likes" do they have?...

Maybe someone who has a facebook account can check:

http://storyful.com/stories/1000005839

02-24-12, 12:35 AM	#2
eddie Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,023 Downloads: 99 Uploads: 0	I call them clowns because its the nicest thing I could call them How they have a website, is beyond me! How they fight a war doesn't mean a whole lot me, you see it in the news everyday. Using young boys under the age of 12, as suicide bombers speaks volumes on how useless to society they really are. Their tirbal mentality and tribal laws show how far down on the evolutionary ladder they are. A caveman on meth would act more civilized then they ever could! I'm way passed caring about whats going on in Afghanistan. The only thing I look forward to is when we stop sending money to Karzai, and our troops come home! Why should we help a country whose so called tribal laws condone this- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-attacker.html And do a search on a recent court case in Canada, parents using their tribal laws to perform an honor killing of their daughter, because she was starting date a western boy, and hearing her mother call her a whore, and that she should be killed (In which her Father actually carried out the murder) for that.There is a guy here in the States who is being hunted for the same thing, but he killed all his daughters! I believe there were 3 of them. Yeah, they are clowns and a whole lot worse! __________________ Don't mistake my kindness for weakness. I'm kind to everyone, but when someone is unkind to me, weak is not what you are going to remember about me. Al Capone

02-24-12, 02:32 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,650 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Why complaining that dogs balk? That's what dogs do. The way the Taliban fight is the result of the asymmetrical setting of the war, and that the Taliban do not subscribe to the Hague Land Warfare Convention. Any army facing an enemy not accepting these rules while accepting them for itself necessarily will find itself into trouble - for the assumed weaker side that is the whole idea behind waging asymmetrical warfare, by doing so it compensates its own deficits in strength and technology. One could even say to bring the enemy into trouble is the whole idea behind warfare in general, else you would not shoot at him. But as in Iraq, the blame from my side goes at incompetent, hopelessly reality-disconnected political leaders who deny realities that they do not want and expose their troops to the risks of war over politically formulated objectives that are in total denial of what realistically could ever be acchieved. I personally argue as usual: if you are at war, go for the enemy's throat, and do not let the presence of any unhappy bystander distract you from your target. That is war. It's not a picnic in the woods. It'S always injust to those being in the wrong place, at the wrong time. Now there the West is in Afghanistan. Oh so humane the intention, oh so idealistic the claims, oh so wonderful the plans. What has been acchieved? The enemy wins. What has been rebuilt temporarily, will get lost. It will have lived a short life only. Even more, our own leaders now contemplate the need to upvalue the enemy in his political credibility, and negotiate with this primitive rat pack on same eye level with us. They will hang children in the Kabul arena again, they will again supress women with medieval brutality, they will again help to export the ideologic poison of Islam to other conflicts and countries to help the Islamic jihad. Our own guys will return with bad memories on mind, many of them traumatised, some being dead, but we can always comfort ourselves with that we played by the rules, and that we had good intentions, and the most precious phrase of all: "at least we have tried". That'S the self-excusing of loosers, gentlemen. Next thing we will need to hear is politicians explaining us why we were so victorious in Afghanistan, and why it is reasonable to have installed the enemy in place, and why it all has to be seen as a great acchievement. Oh, and many will claim they are very optimistic for the future, that one always catches some voters' applaus en passant. And finally, my favourite: Karzai is our friend, Afghanistan is a great culture, and Pakistan is our ally. Next time you go to war, pick you war more wisely, maybe, and when going in, do so by opening all gates to hell inside your mind. If you are not willing to do that, then maybe it is a stupid idea to go to war. It may be a comic movie, but Quentin Tarrantino said it best in Kill Bill 1, and that scene remineded me of the teachings I received from my own mentor, who also was a Japanese and came from a family of Samurai, it could have been his own very words: "For those regarded as warriors, when engaged in combat, the vanquishing of thine enemy can be the warrior's only concern. Suppress all human emotion and compassion. Kill whoever stands in thy way, even if that be Lord God or Buddha himself. This truth lies at the heart of the art of combat." Ever draw your sword only when you intend to kill. Never put it back into the sheath without blood on it. That'S why I hate parades. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 02-24-12 at 03:01 AM.

02-23-12, 11:04 PM	#1
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	From a political stand point perhaps but not from a military standpoint the situation is very complex there are dozens of different tribal groups that dislike each other greatly not every Afghan likes the Taliban some hate both the Taliban and the US/NATO some are drug traffickers and have 3 enemies,NATO,Taliban and Iranian border guards.The Taliban IEDs in many regions wind up killing innocent Afghans and that makes them very unpopular in many places. Karzai is nothing more than the mayor of Kabul his has no real power just because his regime says something does not mean that the populace agrees with it.

02-24-12, 01:33 PM	#6
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,715 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I'm curious: do the Taliban have a Facebook site and, if so, how many "likes" do they have?...