Can't seem to get upgraded to Gato, TMO2.5

Thanks for sharing. It's been interesting career though! Decided to wait around in Sibuyun Sea to see the big battle on Oct 24, 1944. RSRDC is something, so much action my PC couldn't handle it and crashed.
Think I'll start a new career.

[gAiNiAc]

I noticed something funny as well............

I started a new construction '42 campaign. (GATO)

Did the 3 sea trials and finished my first war patrol....

Was offered an upgrade....... Tambor class.

Something is definitely broke.

[Sidekikd34]

Y'all did notice Ducimus kindly noted it's not guaranteed to work with any other mod, right? Have you tried TMO alone and see if that works?

Originally Posted by Sidekikd34

Y'all did notice Ducimus kindly noted it's not guaranteed to work with any other mod, right? Have you tried TMO alone and see if that works?

So what might have changed with TMO 2.5? I've played TMO with RSRD for over a year and never saw this. Yes, I play TMO 2.5 alone and haven't seen this (yet!).

[donna52522]

I played TMO2.5 stand alone, with the 'Terrible T' campaign...they both messed up in early 1944....I was sent back in time to 1942...I had posted about it close to a month ago.

[Sidekikd34]

Originally Posted by jldjs

So what might have changed with TMO 2.5? I've played TMO with RSRD for over a year and never saw this. Yes, I play TMO 2.5 alone and haven't seen this (yet!).

I'm guessing if it is a TMO problem, it has to do with making Tambor class to upgrade level 5, which is higher than all other classes. I've looked around in the files, and I don't know why that would make a problem if you're already in a Tambor, although upgrading to one would lock you in forever.

I make my own mod over TMO using Duci's files as a base, so I haven't actually got to using TMO 2.5 much yet...

You may want to try putting Tambor back to UpgradeClass=3 in \Data\Submarine\NSS_Tambor\NSS_Tambor.upc, putting it on the same level with Gar and Gato, and see if that works better for you. If I run across the same issue, I'd try that first.

Although, that ruins the whole Terrible T campaign. The strange thing I see in the campaign is Tambors are excluded from all flotillas, but in the Tambor campaign, PH goes away and comes back, which is unlike the others.

[Ducimus]

*sigh*

I know what the problem is. SH4 hates me.

Yes, as noted, the Tambor is set at upgradeclass 5. This was intentional, because the way i had set up the upgrade classes, the order of progression should be something like:
S class -> Porpoise -> Salmon/Sargo -> Gar -> Gato -> Balao/Tench

With the tambor completely out of the loop into the upper end. In theory, you couldne't get offered a tambor unless you were in a tench. I intentionally removed the Tambor classes from ALL other flotillas to be sure they couldn't be offered anywhere else by mistake (apparently the game will give you a boat even if it isn't assigned to your flotilla), and also there was a presumption on my part that the game will offer upgrades in numerical order. Logical no? 1 before 2, 2 before 3, 3 before 4.

Since the game defies logic, the only way to really fix this is to revert the associated files back to the previous version of TMO, and scrap the terrible T campaign.

I also want to mention that i have NEVER EVER liked what the devs did with how submarines or conning tower refits are offered. It really sucks, because whatever routine they have in the code, defies all logic or sanity, so it is extremely hard to mod and account for. I have often thought of trying to change it back to how it worked in SH3, but i don't think its possible, its code level.

And BTW, i did test this all out before i published TMO 2.5. I set up a test mission outside of pearl with the main objective to reach the desginated area, rewarding enough renown to be a considered a successful patrol. I then took this setup and ran several boats out of pearl and it worked as i wanted, but apparently it was a fluke. A classic case of "it worked on my computer".


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The strange thing I see in the campaign is Tambors are excluded from all flotillas, but in the Tambor campaign, PH goes away and comes back, which is unlike the others.

That was intentional. I had set it to where if you played the whole thing, your base would be changed in the south west pacific. To change the pace, new missions etc, instead of running just the PH missions all the time. Eventually changing you back to PH. As i recall, i set this to very loosely follow the Tautog's patrols in terms of base assignments.

[TorpX]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Yes, as noted, the Tambor is set at upgradeclass 5. This was intentional, because the way i had set up the upgrade classes, the order of progression should be something like:
S class -> Porpoise -> Salmon/Sargo -> Gar -> Gato -> Balao/Tench

With the tambor completely out of the loop into the upper end. In theory, you couldne't get offered a tambor unless you were in a tench. I intentionally removed the Tambor classes from ALL other flotillas to be sure they couldn't be offered anywhere else by mistake (apparently the game will give you a boat even if it isn't assigned to your flotilla), and also there was a presumption on my part that the game will offer upgrades in numerical order. Logical no? 1 before 2, 2 before 3, 3 before 4.

Since the game defies logic, the only way to really fix this is to revert the associated files back to the previous version of TMO, and scrap the terrible T campaign.

While your idea of the new boats being offered in order, 1....2.....3....4 makes sense. They might just as well be offered in order of increasing value, i.e. 1.....1+x.....1+x+y..... That is, every new command would be an improvement over the previous one. Maybe a marginal improvement, maybe a large improvement. It is not only a matter of rewarding a CO for a good patrol, but perhaps more importantly, of mating the best CO's with the best available boats. Also, there would likely be quite a bit of chance involved (I guess), as to what happens to become available at that particular time.