[REL] Open Horizons II - Page 44

Trevally. · 02-13-12, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Commander Mysenses

I think what woud make it more realistic is if the patrolling DDs reacted to the destruction of the BBs, instead of dutifully patrolling their waypoints. They only seem to react if they see you, not the mayhem you are unleashing. Is it something do do with what TDW was talking about in another thread?

Yes - this is a great idea

At latest steps to make Scapa more of a challange was to block more of the route in and out with better placed mines and nets.
Also I placed new DDs at the entrence and exits to these routes.

But what you are saying is a great idea.
With v1.7 - I have learnt a new way to force the campaign to do things.
So - if a DD will not re-act if it does not see you - or if you do not attack it or a ship in its group - what i could do is this.

Setup Scapa with a mission trigger. This trigger could be you entering scapa. This could the spawn the BBs and a few DDs as a group.
So when you attack the BBs - the DD will go on alert status and get angry

I will have a think about this to see how it could work.

misha1967 · 02-13-12, 07:37 AM

Had a funny thing happen to me with OHII, by the way.

I was leaving Helgoland for England when I realized that two of the destroyers patrolling Helgoland apparently were still there. I couldn't see them if TC was at 256, but as soon as I dropped TC, they's show up again in the exact same position relative to me. At first I thought they were just being nice, giving me a helpful escort away from the Fatherland, but when I dropped from TC256 about halfway to England, in the middle of the North Sea, they were still there, exact same relative position to me. I toyed briefly with the idea of keeping them trucking along all the way to the east coast of England, perhaps there'd be some epic surface battles between them and the English merchant shipping (until the Royal Navy found them, of course), but then I decided that that wasn't really nice.

I saved the game, exited and reloaded and, wouldn't you know it, right out there in the middle of the North Sea (they were still there after I loaded) they suddenly realized that they weren't in Kansas any more and promptly turned tail for Germany

I hope they made it all the way home.

Anyway, I'm enjoying all of the other features of OHII so much it ought not be legal. Thanks!

Trevally. · 02-13-12, 08:52 AM

Thanks misha

misha1967 · 02-13-12, 09:07 AM

You are more than welcome, Trevally!

And the same goes, of course, to all of the rest of the members of this community who have turned this latest incarnation of the love of my life, the Silent Hunter franchise, into something more beautiful even than SH3 and continue to make it even better.

When SH5 came out I felt just like a felt when SH3 was first released: Like the kid who opens his Christmas presents and finds the Lego set he's wanted his entire life, only to realize that half the parts are missing.

You guys made and shipped the missing parts.

(And a special thanks for the tutorials. Thanks to you, using the RAOBF is as simple as picking my nose and the Tommies are suffering dreadfully as a result)

Now back to our regularly scheduled thread

Maki4444 · 02-13-12, 09:38 AM

I just have to say that THAT was beautiful misha

Trevally. · 02-13-12, 11:29 AM

@Misha

@Maki

I have been testing Scapa today.
What I have done is attached DDs to the BBs as a group. So now when the BBs get hit - the DDs go on alert and hunt you down.

What I have found is not good. The DDs did go on alert - but failed to move. I think the problem with scapa is just the shallow water. The DDs just get stuck and do not know what do do. This can been seen all over the place - like in any harbour when you are leaving you see ships stuck in shallow water.
So I think the only answer to scapa is to dredge it out

On another topic - I have again been looking at the CTD that are common with scapa (stock and OHII). What I have done is the same as how the tutorial was fixed (I hope it is fixed

).
Preventing the gens from spawning ships. So I have stopped all ship spawning in scapa until after the raid mission.

The problem I have is that I can't test it as I did not get ctds in scapa.
I will post the fix here as a test patch. If some kind member that was getting ctds in scapa could test it for me - I would be grateful

Trevally. · 02-13-12, 11:46 AM

Ok here is the scapa fix - https://rapidshare.com/files/2582712...tPatchScapa.7z

Install over OHII and start new career - to fast forward to correct date - just go on patrol and dock straight away.
You do not need to select this in the briefing map - just goto scapa at the correct date - 10/9/39 to 15/10/39

Thanks

Maki4444 · 02-13-12, 01:55 PM

That's really great Trevally, that you are fixing so many things including scapa.

I just don't know why people want Scapa to be more difficult. Guys.....Prien with his u 47 went to Scapa......he was surfaced the whole time.....he attacked the Royal Oak.....went away.....saw that he wasn't being chased....went back.....attacked another ship only damaging it....being surfaced....inside of Scapa......

Breaking the fortress is a remake of that brilliant and ridicullous situation, right??

Why go and make 1939 Scapa into 1944 a Gibraltar??

Stormfly · 02-13-12, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maki4444

That's really great Trevally, that you are fixing so many things including scapa.

I just don't know why people want Scapa to be more difficult. Guys.....Prien with his u 47 went to Scapa......he was surfaced the whole time.....he attacked the Royal Oak.....went away.....saw that he wasn't being chased....went back.....attacked another ship only damaging it....being surfaced....inside of Scapa......

Breaking the fortress is a remake of that brilliant and ridicullous situation, right??

Why go and make 1939 Scapa into 1944 a Gibraltar??

not shure, could be ppl like it more difficult because G. Prien got war hero status of what he did ?

...but true is he sank an anchoring (in that state) helpless battleship with sleeping crews (833 hands lost) while going away with it.

the visbility was so bad that he couldn`t ident the target as he shot. while escaping he got sighted by a destroyer signaling him because they mismatched him with a little depot ship or something. regardless of the not answering submarien, the destroyer turned away and hunted somwhere else.

...luck, nerves, darkness, chaos and the moment of supprise was on his side.

THE_MASK · 02-13-12, 03:15 PM

I will start the dredge up and send you the file .

Trevally. · 02-13-12, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sober

I will start the dredge up and send you the file .

You are a true hero Sober

I hope that depth is the reason the ships stick. Could it be proximity to coast

The game does detect coast as that is a setting for TC level.

May be best just doing a small patch to see if it works

THE_MASK · 02-13-12, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trevally.

You are a true hero Sober

I hope that depth is the reason the ships stick. Could it be proximity to coast

The game does detect coast as that is a setting for TC level.

May be best just doing a small patch to see if it works

I can do a little trick with the shaders to show me the terrain depth under water . Makes it easier to fix the levels . You know i think the water level is too low in general . If you look at the harbor walls in ports i am sure the water is suppose to be near the top . Dont know how to adjust the water like that though . Scapa

BIGREG · 02-13-12, 05:28 PM

Hi

If you can not raise the level of the sea, why not get off the ground

BigReg/BigRegOne

"Provided with a staircase to climb, we often manage to get lower than one would be provided with a staircase down to the descent."

Proverbe Shadock

THE_MASK · 02-13-12, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIGREG

Hi

If you can not raise the level of the sea, why not get off the ground

BigReg/BigRegOne

"Provided with a staircase to climb, we often manage to get lower than one would be provided with a staircase down to the descent."

Proverbe Shadock

dont ask technical questions

Commander Mysenses · 02-13-12, 07:52 PM

Is it OHII adding these contact reports with the four number square references? (forgive the the corrupted screencap)

As you can see I am using Illyustrator's MARINEQUADRATKARTE map, but as you know the grid refs on that are two letters, two numbers... so what are the four number grid refs?

02-13-12, 07:37 AM	#647
misha1967 Commander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 470 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	Had a funny thing happen to me with OHII, by the way. I was leaving Helgoland for England when I realized that two of the destroyers patrolling Helgoland apparently were still there. I couldn't see them if TC was at 256, but as soon as I dropped TC, they's show up again in the exact same position relative to me. At first I thought they were just being nice, giving me a helpful escort away from the Fatherland, but when I dropped from TC256 about halfway to England, in the middle of the North Sea, they were still there, exact same relative position to me. I toyed briefly with the idea of keeping them trucking along all the way to the east coast of England, perhaps there'd be some epic surface battles between them and the English merchant shipping (until the Royal Navy found them, of course), but then I decided that that wasn't really nice. I saved the game, exited and reloaded and, wouldn't you know it, right out there in the middle of the North Sea (they were still there after I loaded) they suddenly realized that they weren't in Kansas any more and promptly turned tail for Germany I hope they made it all the way home. Anyway, I'm enjoying all of the other features of OHII so much it ought not be legal. Thanks! __________________ Ansonsten, Herr Lutter, ist alles in Butter Liqui-cooled Intel i2550K @ 4.2 GHz, 8 Gb RAM, GTX 970 GPU

02-13-12, 08:52 AM	#648
Trevally. Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: AN1536 (Orkney) Posts: 5,451 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 28	Thanks misha __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Trevally Mods for SH5

02-13-12, 09:07 AM	#649
misha1967 Commander Join Date: May 2004 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 470 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	You are more than welcome, Trevally! And the same goes, of course, to all of the rest of the members of this community who have turned this latest incarnation of the love of my life, the Silent Hunter franchise, into something more beautiful even than SH3 and continue to make it even better. When SH5 came out I felt just like a felt when SH3 was first released: Like the kid who opens his Christmas presents and finds the Lego set he's wanted his entire life, only to realize that half the parts are missing. You guys made and shipped the missing parts. (And a special thanks for the tutorials. Thanks to you, using the RAOBF is as simple as picking my nose and the Tommies are suffering dreadfully as a result) Now back to our regularly scheduled thread __________________ Ansonsten, Herr Lutter, ist alles in Butter Liqui-cooled Intel i2550K @ 4.2 GHz, 8 Gb RAM, GTX 970 GPU

02-13-12, 11:29 AM	#651
Trevally. Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: AN1536 (Orkney) Posts: 5,451 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 28	@Misha @Maki I have been testing Scapa today. What I have done is attached DDs to the BBs as a group. So now when the BBs get hit - the DDs go on alert and hunt you down. What I have found is not good. The DDs did go on alert - but failed to move. I think the problem with scapa is just the shallow water. The DDs just get stuck and do not know what do do. This can been seen all over the place - like in any harbour when you are leaving you see ships stuck in shallow water. So I think the only answer to scapa is to dredge it out On another topic - I have again been looking at the CTD that are common with scapa (stock and OHII). What I have done is the same as how the tutorial was fixed (I hope it is fixed). Preventing the gens from spawning ships. So I have stopped all ship spawning in scapa until after the raid mission. The problem I have is that I can't test it as I did not get ctds in scapa. I will post the fix here as a test patch. If some kind member that was getting ctds in scapa could test it for me - I would be grateful __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Trevally Mods for SH5

02-13-12, 11:46 AM	#652
Trevally. Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: AN1536 (Orkney) Posts: 5,451 Downloads: 166 Uploads: 28	Ok here is the scapa fix - https://rapidshare.com/files/2582712...tPatchScapa.7z Install over OHII and start new career - to fast forward to correct date - just go on patrol and dock straight away. You do not need to select this in the briefing map - just goto scapa at the correct date - 10/9/39 to 15/10/39 Thanks __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Trevally Mods for SH5

02-13-12, 09:38 AM	#650
Maki4444 Sparky Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Croatia Posts: 152 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	I just have to say that THAT was beautiful misha

02-13-12, 01:55 PM	#653
Maki4444 Sparky Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Croatia Posts: 152 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	That's really great Trevally, that you are fixing so many things including scapa. I just don't know why people want Scapa to be more difficult. Guys.....Prien with his u 47 went to Scapa......he was surfaced the whole time.....he attacked the Royal Oak.....went away.....saw that he wasn't being chased....went back.....attacked another ship only damaging it....being surfaced....inside of Scapa...... Breaking the fortress is a remake of that brilliant and ridicullous situation, right?? Why go and make 1939 Scapa into 1944 a Gibraltar??

02-13-12, 03:15 PM	#655
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	I will start the dredge up and send you the file .

02-13-12, 05:28 PM	#658
BIGREG Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bretagne-FRANCE Posts: 813 Downloads: 155 Uploads: 0	Hi If you can not raise the level of the sea, why not get off the ground BigReg/BigRegOne "Provided with a staircase to climb, we often manage to get lower than one would be provided with a staircase down to the descent." Proverbe Shadock

02-13-12, 07:52 PM	#660
Commander Mysenses Navy Dude Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: AM98 - Rounding Hartland Point and sneaking up the Bristol Channel Posts: 173 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Is it OHII adding these contact reports with the four number square references? (forgive the the corrupted screencap) As you can see I am using Illyustrator's MARINEQUADRATKARTE map, but as you know the grid refs on that are two letters, two numbers... so what are the four number grid refs?