Still the best WWII sub sim

misha1967 · 02-13-12, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Vince82

Never played it, but I'm curious what is the 'problem' with SH5 in a few words?

I addition to what's been already said about it needing mods to be good (but then it's very good if you ask me, though not quite "there" yet), and having been through the whole process with SH3 from the day it was launched, I'd sum it up by saying that SH5 is, as far as being "finished" goes, about the same place where SH3 was a couple of years after it was released. Not quite "gold" yet, but getting there.

Now, the reason that I personally use both (I'd never give up SH3!) is that SH5 is, and I never thought that possible, even prettier than SH3 (and quite the system hog as a result, I should warn), but most of all me being able to move freely about my boat and interact with the crew.

That being said, if I were new to the franchise today and just wanted to get my feet wet as quickly and painlessly as possible, I'd go with SH3 + GWX and SH3Commander. Three easy steps and your family won't hear from you again for months

Eventually you'll want SH5 too, but it won't be for quite a while and by then it probably has its own SuperMod.

SH5, on the other hand, you have to work on a bit before it's good at this stage, with quite a few different mods necessary.

Esanssi · 02-13-12, 01:33 AM

As a certified nub, I have to agree with misha1967.

SH3+GWX+SH3C =

Even though the first game in the series I tried was SH5, that's the combo I'm subbing with now. Mainly because my laptop couldn't stand up to the system requirements the game had though. Still, I'm glad I had to go with SH3.

For comparison, 'things I had to do to play the game':

SH5
- Install the game
- Browse Subsim for community recommended mods
- Make a list of those mods and see which ones were compatible with each other
- Download about a gazillion of them
- Figure out a stable loadout order
- Play the game, enjoy the 10 frames per second I was getting and pray to God the bugger doesn't crash

SH3
- Install the game
- Install GWX & SH3C
- Play the game

Even still, SH5 has its own unique draw to it. Other than the nifty looking graphics, it seemed a bit more nub-friendly and it had that roaming about the u-boat which was pretty cool. Gave it a completely different atmosphere.

Maybe I'll try it again one day when I can afford a new, more powerful laptop.

Victor Schutze · 02-13-12, 03:13 AM

I must add that I must admit the mod soup problem is not exclusive to sh5.

I don't know how many mods sh5 has but my guess it has far less mods than sh3.

I spend a lot of valuable playing time trying to make different very good sh3 mods to work together as they more often than not conflict with each other.

I still love the sh3 + JSGME + shC + mods combination though. I have not found any "game" (sim) better than this one until now.

Esanssi · 02-13-12, 03:45 AM

It's possible to get yourself into a bit of a soup in SH3 too, of course. So many great mods to choose from.
But as far as I see, in SH5 you pretty much have to get yourself into one if you want to play it.

misha1967 · 02-13-12, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Esanssi

It's possible to get yourself into a bit of a soup in SH3 too, of course. So many great mods to choose from.
But as far as I see, in SH5 you pretty much have to get yourself into one if you want to play it.

That's it exactly. You can make quite a soup for SH3, but you don't have to if you're fine with GWX. For SH5, you pretty much have to at this point, but that is being worked on even as we speak.

Esanssi · 02-13-12, 04:05 AM

With a community as active, dedicated and resourceful as this, I'm sure SH5 will experience the same transformation in modding/playing experience in no time

And as said before, let's hope I'll be ready tech-wise when that day comes. I'd love to give the game a proper spin.

Vince82 · 02-13-12, 08:16 AM

Thanks explaining the SH5 'problem' guys.

So to sum it up:
SH5 is pretty damn awesome if u got a very good laptop or PC and you manage to download and install all necessary mods. Which is not easy and it isn't fun, because when you're doing it wrong the game won't run very well.
When u got those two things you will have a game which is good, but which isn't a 100% finished like SH3 is.

SH5 modders need more time to finish the game. There isn't a super mod for SH5, we hope modders will come up with something like that one day.

My personal opinion on the matter is that I hope Ubi will work together with the modding community when they will develop SH6. Other game developers are doing that aswell.

I'm sticking to SH3 no matter what as my laptop doesnt run SH5, like I said I was just curious to know why you would keep playing SH3 when u got a good system. It's not like I'm new to the game, I used to play SH3 + NYGM years ago. It's just that I've been away from the game for a quite while. Never lost the touch tho...

02-13-12, 01:33 AM	#2
Esanssi Sailor man Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow - Oh, wait... Posts: 49 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	As a certified nub, I have to agree with misha1967. SH3+GWX+SH3C = Even though the first game in the series I tried was SH5, that's the combo I'm subbing with now. Mainly because my laptop couldn't stand up to the system requirements the game had though. Still, I'm glad I had to go with SH3. For comparison, 'things I had to do to play the game': SH5 - Install the game - Browse Subsim for community recommended mods - Make a list of those mods and see which ones were compatible with each other - Download about a gazillion of them - Figure out a stable loadout order - Play the game, enjoy the 10 frames per second I was getting and pray to God the bugger doesn't crash SH3 - Install the game - Install GWX & SH3C - Play the game Even still, SH5 has its own unique draw to it. Other than the nifty looking graphics, it seemed a bit more nub-friendly and it had that roaming about the u-boat which was pretty cool. Gave it a completely different atmosphere. Maybe I'll try it again one day when I can afford a new, more powerful laptop. __________________ "Permission to die, Sir."

02-13-12, 03:45 AM	#4
Esanssi Sailor man Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow - Oh, wait... Posts: 49 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	It's possible to get yourself into a bit of a soup in SH3 too, of course. So many great mods to choose from. But as far as I see, in SH5 you pretty much have to get yourself into one if you want to play it. __________________ "Permission to die, Sir."

02-13-12, 04:05 AM	#6
Esanssi Sailor man Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow - Oh, wait... Posts: 49 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	With a community as active, dedicated and resourceful as this, I'm sure SH5 will experience the same transformation in modding/playing experience in no time And as said before, let's hope I'll be ready tech-wise when that day comes. I'd love to give the game a proper spin. __________________ "Permission to die, Sir."

02-13-12, 03:13 AM	#3
Victor Schutze Chief Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Drowning in mods soup Posts: 327 Downloads: 466 Uploads: 0	I must add that I must admit the mod soup problem is not exclusive to sh5. I don't know how many mods sh5 has but my guess it has far less mods than sh3. I spend a lot of valuable playing time trying to make different very good sh3 mods to work together as they more often than not conflict with each other. I still love the sh3 + JSGME + shC + mods combination though. I have not found any "game" (sim) better than this one until now.

02-13-12, 08:16 AM	#7
Vince82 Engineer Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 216 Downloads: 34 Uploads: 0	Thanks explaining the SH5 'problem' guys. So to sum it up: SH5 is pretty damn awesome if u got a very good laptop or PC and you manage to download and install all necessary mods. Which is not easy and it isn't fun, because when you're doing it wrong the game won't run very well. When u got those two things you will have a game which is good, but which isn't a 100% finished like SH3 is. SH5 modders need more time to finish the game. There isn't a super mod for SH5, we hope modders will come up with something like that one day. My personal opinion on the matter is that I hope Ubi will work together with the modding community when they will develop SH6. Other game developers are doing that aswell. I'm sticking to SH3 no matter what as my laptop doesnt run SH5, like I said I was just curious to know why you would keep playing SH3 when u got a good system. It's not like I'm new to the game, I used to play SH3 + NYGM years ago. It's just that I've been away from the game for a quite while. Never lost the touch tho...