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Old 02-12-12, 06:12 PM   #1
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Go back to your college english class.
Or their college history class...

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In those movies, Palpatine is so far removed from us we can only approach him from the perspective of a Hitler. We must always remember that Hitler didn't ascend to dictator by using tanks, but the ballot box.
Hitler was appointed...

...he was also guilty of treason...

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Try naming a single character in the original trilogy that can attain such an authentic level of ambiguity.


Lets see he shoots first; asks no questions later.

He smuggles contraband for a crime lord.

He was dishonorably discharged from the service

He was about to leave all the rebels to die:

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Luke: So. You got your reward and you're just leaving, then?
Han Solo: That's right, yeah. Got some old debts I gotta pay off with this stuff. Even if I didn't, you don't think I'd be fool enough to stick around here, do you? Why don't you come with us? You're pretty good in a fight. We could use you.
Luke: Come on. Why don't you take a look around. You know what's about to happen, what they're up against. They could use a good pilot like you, you're turning your back on them.
Han Solo: What good is a reward if you ain't around to use it? Besides, attacking that battle station is not my idea of courage. It's more like, suicide.
Oh then he saves Skywalke's life and by extension the whole Rebellion.

There is moral ambiguity for you.
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Old 02-13-12, 01:15 AM   #2
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Not to mention another "minor" character that said reviewer obviously missed entirely: Darth Vader. Or perhaps the original trilogy was just too horribly bad for him to watch it all the way through "Return..." where Vader answers Luke's pleas for him to turn to the light side with an anguished "it is too late for me, son", followed by the rather obvious internal battle he wages as he watches the Emperor torture his only son until he finally has enough and sacrifices his own life to save him.

No, no moral ambiguity there at all.

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Old 02-13-12, 01:28 AM   #3
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Railing against the "age of bush" - executive mandates from on high, sinister plots and political deceit - but the writer can't seem to find the same dangers and occurances in mandates to religious institutions (or private insurance companies) regarding abortion and birth control, the writer fails to contrast an educational law, passed by Congress and signed by the chief executive - with the unilateral (and unconstitutional) mandates of a "waiver" that includes another set of standards arbitrarily set by the President....

Not that the "age of bush" was "good" - but the intentional disregard for the present circumstances and actions while blasting "the guy on the other side", is hypocritical at best....

Of course - what do we expect from someone who makes a living reviewing movies and uses the forum to tell us that "treason" is ok ....
Political spouting of idiocy exemplified.
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Old 02-13-12, 01:29 AM   #4
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Or their college history class...

Hitler was appointed...

...he was also guilty of treason...



Lets see he shoots first; asks no questions later.

He smuggles contraband for a crime lord.

He was dishonorably discharged from the service

He was about to leave all the rebels to die:

Oh then he saves Skywalke's life and by extension the whole Rebellion.

There is moral ambiguity for you.
He actually shoots second.... Lucas discussed this and in the original Greedo shoots first, but the camera angle didn't "catch" it - which is why in the remake there is a wider angle.....
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Old 02-13-12, 09:48 AM   #5
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He actually shoots second.... Lucas discussed this and in the original Greedo shoots first, but the camera angle didn't "catch" it - which is why in the remake there is a wider angle.....
I'm sure he did that just to sell T-Shirts...
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Old 02-13-12, 10:42 AM   #6
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Yeah the prequels had wonderfully nuanced, morally ambiguous characters...

and Jar Jar Binks.



This fact alone make his argument null and void.

And all of the political crap can be left at the door. The prequels were written in the 1990s, before Bush was president.
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Is this going to be a daily update thread? Dear god I hope so.
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