Destroyer ignores my attack

Sailor Steve · 02-11-12, 06:59 PM

This is weird. Everyone is talking about how well ships can see in 1939, and it doesn't appear to me that anyone has asked the most important question: Gambla, are you using TDW's AI mod? If not, no destroyer will ever react to you, even if you sail up to one in broad daylight. The AI in the stock game is all screwed up. With TheDarkWraith's mod you will quickly learn to hate life.

Michael13 · 02-11-12, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

This is weird. Everyone is talking about how well ships can see in 1939, and it doesn't appear to me that anyone has asked the most important question: Gambla, are you using TDW's AI mod?

May be because:

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Originally Posted by gambla

Is this one of the original bugs or is IRAI failing ?

Hinrich Schwab · 02-12-12, 03:00 AM

From what I have seen, the stock AI reminds me a lot of what I am seeing in SH II. The stock AI does not react until after a ship takes a hit. From what I have read in the AI doctrine in IRAI*...well, let's just say that the battleship requirement in Operation Weserübung just got a lot more complicated.

*I haven't installed this yet as I am still tweeking my mod soup and chasing persistent campaign bugs.

gambla · 02-12-12, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Schwartzritter

The stock AI does not react until after a ship takes a hit.

That's not too bad. But i had hit two ships.

However, the minimum reaction in the Sim that i would like to see is that they head to the burning ship and "take notice".

TheDarkWraith · 02-12-12, 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by gambla

That's not too bad. But i had hit two ships.

However, the minimum reaction in the Sim that i would like to see is that they head to the burning ship and "take notice".

For them to take any action they need to be part of a group or they need to 'see' an enemy. If they are single units then they behave as single units. As a single unit they will continue following waypoints until they 'see' something or they take damage from a player's weapon. Not my limitation but the game itself.

gambla · 02-12-12, 06:08 AM

Don't take that wrong, TDW. I appreciate your great work. So the convoy with escorts is not defined as a group ? I wonder what a modder could about it. Could we solve this with any message (internal message, not a radio message) sent from attacked ships (status,position) that would trigger the escorts. Or maybe could it be linked with the hitpoints ?

Hinrich Schwab · 02-12-12, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

For them to take any action they need to be part of a group or they need to 'see' an enemy. If they are single units then they behave as single units. As a single unit they will continue following waypoints until they 'see' something or they take damage from a player's weapon. Not my limitation but the game itself.

When you say "see" something, are you referring to visual detection only or any sensor detection? From what I saw in stock, it seems to be visual only.

TheDarkWraith · 02-13-12, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Schwartzritter

When you say "see" something, are you referring to visual detection only or any sensor detection? From what I saw in stock, it seems to be visual only.

When they are not in alert state they rely mostly on visual sensors. You'll notice their hydrophone cone is very small when not in alert state. They come into alert state when they see something via any sensor.

Sailor Steve · 02-12-12, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael13

May be because:

Yes, it may be.

02-11-12, 06:59 PM	#1
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	This is weird. Everyone is talking about how well ships can see in 1939, and it doesn't appear to me that anyone has asked the most important question: Gambla, are you using TDW's AI mod? If not, no destroyer will ever react to you, even if you sail up to one in broad daylight. The AI in the stock game is all screwed up. With TheDarkWraith's mod you will quickly learn to hate life. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

02-12-12, 06:08 AM	#6
gambla Gunner Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Frankfurt, Germany Posts: 97 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	Don't take that wrong, TDW. I appreciate your great work. So the convoy with escorts is not defined as a group ? I wonder what a modder could about it. Could we solve this with any message (internal message, not a radio message) sent from attacked ships (status,position) that would trigger the escorts. Or maybe could it be linked with the hitpoints ? __________________ _________________________________________ Mods: The Wolves of Steel 2.0.0 - 2.0.9d Update

02-12-12, 03:00 AM	#3
Hinrich Schwab Grey Wolf Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 908 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 0	From what I have seen, the stock AI reminds me a lot of what I am seeing in SH II. The stock AI does not react until after a ship takes a hit. From what I have read in the AI doctrine in IRAI...well, let's just say that the battleship requirement in Operation Weserübung just got a lot* more complicated. *I haven't installed this yet as I am still tweeking my mod soup and chasing persistent campaign bugs.