Women in combat policy to change

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by August

My big problem with women in combat, aside from the strength limitations, is that a mixed gender combat force is a distracted combat force.

Our troops have enough to worry about in combat without adding sexual tension to the mix, and lets be honest, anytime you have a group of young men and women in close quarters there will be sexual tension and it will be a huge distraction.

I will not add to it, simply agree and applaud.


A focused force.

Very good.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by August

My big problem with women in combat, aside from the strength limitations, is that a mixed gender combat force is a distracted combat force.

People once said the same about whites and blacks in America.

Perhaps we should have all female combat units.

they say that any group of women who stay together for long enough a period of time synchronize their menstrual cycles.

This could provide advantageous.

If we could mobilize an entire female fighting force during that time of the month... they could probably wrap up just about any armed conflict in a matter of days if not hours.


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Sorry gentlemen... Goldenrivet had to be eliminated

Yours,

The girflriend

[August]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

People once said the same about whites and blacks in America.

I don't see it as the same thing but I wonder how many names are on the Vietnam Memorial because of racial tension? I know when I joined in 1977 there was still a lot of racial incidents.

Sorry gentlemen... Goldenrivet had to be eliminated

Yours,

The girflriend

What are you wearing?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

which is more likely to be killed in the first 5 minutes of a deployment?

If we are taking the two individuals above into combat as is, which you seem to have indicated by the nature of your post, then I would say that they both stand excellent chances of death. I would also, if this were the case, question why was are spending so much money on our war machine if we are sending troops without training.

That aside, if the individual can do the job required then I have no issue of what their gender, race or sexual orientation is.

[GoldenRivet]

I rephrase my original comment.

Which one is more likely to wash out of training?




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have a great weekend everyone

[MH]

In Israel it worked well with "Caracal " light infantry battalion.
It is a unisex combat battalion and so far is doing good job.










A lot of women serve as instructors to combat units,support,artillery,navy and so on.

[CCIP]

I'm also not sure the "distraction" argument is really valid. There are a lot of professional high-pressure situation where men and women are in close quarters and there is no issue. This depends more on individuals' discipline and professionalism than gender.

The same type of excuse is also often offered for things like bullying - put a lot of young guys together, and tempers can go out of control. Yet that's really not an excuse and there's all sorts of evidence pointing to the fact that individual discipline and personal qualities matter more than demographics or supposed biological factors.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by August

My big problem with women in combat, aside from the strength limitations, is that a mixed gender combat force is a distracted combat force.

Our troops have enough to worry about in combat without adding sexual tension to the mix, and lets be honest, anytime you have a group of young men and women in close quarters there will be sexual tension and it will be a huge distraction.

Now, I saw the movie "Starship Troops" and it worked out in that. We should be okay.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Now, I saw the movie "Starship Troops" and it worked out in that. We should be okay.

Another thing many people not in the military may not be aware of is that male or female some troops will meet and other troops will exceed and others will greatly exceed the set standards.Of the airmen I supervised it was actually a female one who most greatly exceeded the standards in fact she beat the set male standards as well I would say that this woman was "not trying to be one of the guys" she just happened to be in good shape and my troops never cheated because I was the one counting their numbers of push ups and sit ups and run times so there where no games.

"Caracal" is nothing new Haganah units had women in them though they did keep them out of direct combat units for some time after.

I tend to agree with CCIP on the whole distraction issue combat units are a little different than other units but in any unit I was in there was never much of a serious problem with males getting distracted sure guys might say to the others that chick is hot but that was as far as it went in my experience. Besides not every woman in the military is super attractive either there are quite a few dog faces out there.

[August]

Originally Posted by CCIP

I'm also not sure the "distraction" argument is really valid. There are a lot of professional high-pressure situation where men and women are in close quarters and there is no issue. This depends more on individuals' discipline and professionalism than gender.

The same type of excuse is also often offered for things like bullying - put a lot of young guys together, and tempers can go out of control. Yet that's really not an excuse and there's all sorts of evidence pointing to the fact that individual discipline and personal qualities matter more than demographics or supposed biological factors.

On the other hand experiments in social engineering always seem to be acceptable when it's someone else whose life is being put at risk. Even if it's just another straw on the camels back it has to add to the considerable load that's already there.

I say let's finish up our present wars first and do the experimenting once our troops are back to peacetime training mode.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Situation:

a unit is overrun and captured by an enemy force.

the unit has 2 female combatants and 15 male combatants.

the enemy soldiers separate the 2 females and any number of enemy soldiers proceed to rape them repeatedly in brutal fashion in view of the male combatants.

The senior military officer approaches the male combatants in their cell

"This can all stop if you just give us the information we want."

what happens?

Does someone talk at the expense of thousands of other soldiers?

Do the women talk to save themselves?

True. But just imagine, the enemy captures you, and me, and Sailor Steve. They take me aside and tell me that a hundred enemy soldiers are gonna rape me if I don't talk... I'll probably sprain my jaw spilling the beans so fast.

Originally Posted by August

What are you wearing?

[August]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I'll probably sprain my jaw spilling the beans so fast.

Navy guys...

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

True. But just imagine, the enemy captures you, and me, and Sailor Steve. They take me aside and tell me that a hundred enemy soldiers are gonna rape me if I don't talk... I'll probably sprain my jaw spilling the beans so fast.

Well like I said if they want you to talk they are going to find a way and the type of enemy we face they tend to not take prisoners there is what that one Army solider who they keeping for political reasons.If your unit gets over run in Afghanistan you are going to die either by bullets in combat or in your head if they find you wounded or get very lucky and get saved by massive air and artillery support at the last second.They do not really need that much intel from captured troops they get a massive amount from numerous local supporters pretty easy just give the little kid a few bucks and tell him to report troop movements.Also US and NATO units have only been over run a handful of times and that was when they using the old outpost system which they largely got rid of after some outposts got overrun.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

In my experience in the USAF honestly the sex of the person made little difference there where woman that where just as good at the job which in my case was mechanical as any man..

I can go along with that. When i was in the USAF, serving in a , i saw women do everything that a man can do, just as well, and in some cases better.

From my experience, i don't judge a persons abilities by their gender, and as a civillian, i never buy into "just a girl", because ive seen what women can do. In fact, it disgusts me when I see a female try and pull the "I'm just a girl card" to get out of work. That's a bunch of BS because i know its not true. Just because they don't have something swinging between their legs doesn't mean they can't do the job. Any female who pulls that card is a lazy POS that is trying to get out of work.

On the lighter side of things, i don't think avenging valkerie would aptly describe a pissed off female on the rag armed with whatever primary duty weapon. Hell hath no fury, no?

[Falkirion]

Out of curiosity what's the girl packing in that shot back up there? Can't recall the name of the weapon off the top of my head.