Women in combat policy to change

[GoldenRivet]

The important thing to remember:

There are women who dont want to serve in the military and couldnt care less about having similar rights as men. There are women out there that dont want to be submarine commanders, who dont want to fly fighter jets. There are women out there who are perfectly happy to contribute to a household by cleaning the house, taking care of the kids, making sure a good meal is prepared and managing the home. I happen to have one such woman and she is just as vital and important a part of this household as I am.

then...

there are women who want to have these equil rights, they want to roll in the mud and blood for weeks without hot showers, they want to be fortune 500 CEOs, they will not be happy unless they are flying their A-10 down flak alley at 350 knots bearing HARMs down on some SAM site. Some women just want to be one of the guys so bad they can taste it.

and hey, that's fine to want those things... but their crusade - is currently - will continue and always has screwed things up for a lot of women out there that didnt want to burn their bras.

i say give them what they want.

from this date forward all women at the age of 18 should have to sign up for selective service.

the physical and mental standards should remain the same as they have always been.

If any one of us men got drafted and hopped over into Canada we are labeled shameful draft dodgers... why shouldn't a woman have to live with the same choices and decisions?

I think from a perspective of discrimination - I'll have to insist on equality.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

The important thing to remember:

There are women who dont want to serve in the military and couldnt care less about having similar rights as men. There are women out there that dont want to be submarine commanders, who dont want to fly fighter jets. There are women out there who are perfectly happy to contribute to a household by cleaning the house, taking care of the kids, making sure a good meal is prepared and managing the home. I happen to have one such woman and she is just as vital and important a part of this household as I am.

These are the women who know their place, then?

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

These are the women who know their place, then?

I do not think he was being mysogynistic as you are painting it out to be.

I like homecooked meals from my wife, and she has no problem making them. I do not beat her or drag her by her hair to force her to make them, she does it because she likes me enough to demean herself enough to cook her old man a meal.

Am I oppressive?

I am also from a military family, and see where male/female integration can self destruct.

I am sure someone will call me a woman hater, but it is more a common sense, and human nature thing with me.

Boys and girls in war do not mix. I can just see too many 18-20 year old soldiers trying harder to get laid in the foxhole, than fighting the enemy.

I knew how I was at 18-20... Use your brains, seriously.

[MH]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

I do not think he was being mysogynistic as you are painting it out to be.

I like homecooked meals from my wife, and she has no problem making them. I do not beat her or drag her by her hair to force her to make them, she does it because she likes me enough to demean herself enough to cook her old man a meal.

Am I oppressive?

I am also from a military family, and see where male/female integration can self destruct.

I am sure someone will call me a woman hater, but it is more a common sense, and human nature thing with me.

Boys and girls in war do not mix. I can just see too many 18-20 year old soldiers trying harder to get laid in the foxhole, than fighting the enemy.

I knew how I was at 18-20... Use your brains, seriously.

You are dramatising here
Look at the bright side...may be much more fun to look over somebody else's uhm...behaind.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by MH

You are dramatising here
Look at the bright side...may be much more fun to look over somebody else's uhm...behaind.

I suppose a nice supple, well toned feminine backside is better then an IED attack.

Too bad some of the women over there in the middle east are just as savage as the manfolk. Lets blow ourselves up, while our men cower and hide somewhere.

I still advocate for bullets and MOABs, even if it offends my leftist sensibilities

After all, how many troops you need with drones, we can bomb them from whatever remote craphole we want, from Jersey City to Raceda. Sea to shining sea, our remote controlled planes can do what it takes other countries thousands of troops and support to do.

Yes, I am an a-hole, and offer no aplogies. I bet more people like this comment than hate it, although only the haters will comment.

[Stealhead]

"I honestly did not see it like that. I saw it as trying to deal with a piece of tail, you would like to bed, potentially dying in front of you, and more sentimentality is reserved for girls."

If you want to truly integrate the military, then no preferential treatment, they should die like men die, to IEDs, no protection, no sending guys to the car at the checkpoint first, let them bear that burden too. Let them sit in Tikrit while hell is breaking loose, not in the back with the water trucks.

Prove to me you belong there.

Sure it is harsh, and not saying they belong in the kitchen, But they have no place on a battlefield.

I am what I am. Hate me."


You need to do little more research women have died in direct combat they were not hiding or making a male do the dangerous part several have been killed or wounded by IEDs more in less in a place that has IED in use by going outside the gate you are in direct combat if you willing went and did not object then you are taking the risk as anyone else.

http://userpages.aug.com/captbarb/lives.html

look at the bottom of the page you will see many women that where killed by enemy action.

I do not choose to hate anyone but I do dislike your ignorance.

There is also no evidence to show that the male morale level is negatively effected by females being present the only obvious difference is that
the PT standards are lower for females which is reasonable when it is taken into consideration that the female body is less muscular than a males but for any specific job which I think many civilians fail to understand male or female you must meet that requirement as well many jobs require the lifting of a certain amount of weight regardless of sex if you cant lift it you do not get assigned that job.There are mountainous levels political bull crap that have nothing to do with sex one must put up with in the modern military that make this or that of the opposite sex trivial or "below the zone" early promotion to Senior Airman we all called it "below the desk" no matter the sex you went under someones desk so to speak to earn that.For example I was got a stern talking to for making a joke about Iraq back in 2000(when we where still doing the no fly zones and bombing any air defenses actively locking onto our jets) because some tight wad Captain overheard me.

[soopaman2]

What some see as ignorance others see as common sense.

I think you do hate me, even if you wish not to admit it, its ok though. You can find me distasteful, or mysogynistic.

if I wanted to be loved and revered on this board, I would avoid hotpoint arguments, and political discussions.

Good or bad, I am what I am.

Sorry .

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

I do not think he was being mysogynistic as you are painting it out to be.

I like homecooked meals from my wife, and she has no problem making them. I do not beat her or drag her by her hair to force her to make them, she does it because she likes me enough to demean herself enough to cook her old man a meal.

Am I oppressive?

I am also from a military family, and see where male/female integration can self destruct.

I am sure someone will call me a woman hater, but it is more a common sense, and human nature thing with me.

Boys and girls in war do not mix. I can just see too many 18-20 year old soldiers trying harder to get laid in the foxhole, than fighting the enemy.

I knew how I was at 18-20... Use your brains, seriously.

If a woman really wants to be a housewife, more power to her.

GoldenRivet was implying that women who dare to be something besides a housewife are hurting all women. If that isn't misogyny, I don't know what is.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

If a woman really wants to be a housewife, more power to her.

GoldenRivet was implying that women who dare to be something besides a housewife are hurting all women. If that isn't misogyny, I don't know what is.

I honestly did not see it like that. I saw it as trying to deal with a piece of tail, you would like to bed, potentially dying in front of you, and more sentimentality is reserved for girls.

If you want to truly integrate the military, then no preferential treatment, they should die like men die, to IEDs, no protection, no sending guys to the car at the checkpoint first, let them bear that burden too. Let them sit in Tikrit while hell is breaking loose, not in the back with the water trucks.

Prove to me you belong there.

Sure it is harsh, and not saying they belong in the kitchen, But they have no place on a battlefield.

I am what I am. Hate me.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

I honestly did not see it like that. I saw it as trying to deal with a piece of tail, you would like to bed, potentially dying in front of you, and more sentimentality is reserved for girls.

This is [part of] what GoldenRivet said: "...they want to be fortune 500 CEOs..."

That has nothing to do with combat. It has everything to do with women choosing to do things that GR thinks they shouldn't do, even though they've already proven that they are just as capable as men.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

This is [part of] what GoldenRivet said: "...they want to be fortune 500 CEOs..."

That has nothing to do with combat. It has everything to do with women choosing to do things that GR thinks they shouldn't do, even though they've already proven that they are just as capable as men.

My bias is not born of me not thinking "girls" cannot get it done. They can. My bias is towards overall morale of a male dominated force, and not having to put up with the political correctness that comes with it.

Like at our job, we clown on people, we make fun of minorities, women , each other, guidos, micks etc, when people want my attention, I am sometimes called "Yo Ginzo" thanks to my really Italian sounding last name.... in the military some of the stuff we say, would be grounds for dismissal. Jokes amongst friends, grounds for dismissal.

Then again I am a construction worker, we are typically crude.

So what kind of kid gloves will our fighting men have to treat these women with in order to keep their jobs, the military is starting to reek of corporatism.