Left Wing Historical Revisionism

[Hottentot]

Past --> Researcher --> History. You can't make it a two-step process.

Otherwise what CCIP has said is spot on.

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[Gorduz]

I thought of getting into the debate, but CCIP is saying all the right things so

[Oberon]

Have I noticed it?

No

Does it happen?

Yes, particularly in some Japanese schools in regards to Nanking.

Do I like it?

NO

Can I do anything about it?

No

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Does it happen?

Yes, particularly in some Japanese schools in regards to Nanking.

Don't get me started on school history, regardless of the country.

Is it silly season already?

Isn't it kind of interesting that you're so concerned with citation and historiography, yet run off with rants that show blatant disregard - or perhaps I should say ignorance - of both?

Didn't CAPS LOCK sink the ship already without quibbling about where the fatal blow was struck?

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You certainly know exactly what to expect from them

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

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Agreed. What puzzles me on them is what "tacos" means in this context?

[Skybird]

Rewriting history is something the EU is heavily engaged with, too, especially the Germans. It is not so much the Third World War, and Nazi Germany, but how Islam has build the modern European world, and for what it all may claim credits for - almost nothing there that Islam is not being given credit for, even modern human rights and woman liberation movements. Not to mention the very one-sided story telling about Grenada, the Islamic occupation of Spain, France, parts Italy and Greece and the Balkans, and the wars of the crusades. Two years ago a whole volume of German history school books were sacked just in time before they were released inb their first edition. The ammount of forging and distorting they gave examples for raised the hairs in my neck.

George Orwell, 1984. Control of language. Deleting history. Anyone remember? The best censor, the best controller is the one implanted into our heads when we are kids. That makes the perfectly obedient, masterminded citizen who voluntarily calls dictatorship "freedom", aggressor "victim", and cultural mutilation "social improvement". Since any sense for national identity has been whipped and beaten out of German mentality after WWII, Germans are especially prone to this, more than any other people in Europe.

[Penguin]

As a feminist, I am sit-pissed off that I have heard that every man (and woman) calls it history. This is patriarchalic, chauvinistic male revisionism. Woman have contributed a lot to history: Elizabeth Báthory, Eva Braun, Angela Merkel, etc.

That's why I think every teacher (and teacheress) should call it herstory.
I am on your side, sisters! (and brothers)

Well I did wonder if this topic could get any more craziness added, I thought not....but I underestimated Skybird and his thing about the EU and about Islam

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Rewriting history is something the EU is heavily engaged with, too, especially the Germans.

There is a huge difference between politicians (EU) doing politics and historians writing history. Can you recommend me an academic research written by a historian which is doing what you mentioned?

Originally Posted by Penguin

As a feminist, I am sit-pissed off that I have heard that every man (and woman) calls it history.

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I think every teacher (and teacheress) should call it herstory.

The sad thing here is that I have heard a lecturer (not on a history class, but still) in my university genuinely wondering out loud exactly what you just parodied there. My forehead has never been that close to any table as it was then.

[Bilge_Rat]

Slightly off topic, but I find the increasing use of WIKIPEDIA as a historical source to be a disturbing trend. When you know a subject because you have researched it in reputable books and you then compare with Wikipedia, it is amazing to see the distortions and outright lies that get posted.

The worst example for me is the so called "Chenogne massacre" which has its own entry and is often listed as an example of a massacre of german POWs by allied troops. I have been reading about WW2 for 40+ years and had never heard of this until it started popping up on the internet a few years ago. I grew suspicious when I first read it and some months ago I took the time to track down all the sources listed in wikipedia and to do my own research.

As far as I can tell, it never happened and is a totally made up internet event. There is no eyewitness testimony or any other proof that the massacre ever occurred, yet it has its own wikipedia entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenogne_massacre

All the "sources" listed lead to other authors who quote other authors, none of which list any references to back up their claims.

[GoldenRivet]

Want an unbiased account?

Read "flyboys"

War is hell, WWII in the PTO was a unique special kind of hell on earth.

I'll never read that book again.

[Egan]

Originally Posted by Patchman123

I love the military historians better than the civilian ones because the military historians are often more objective in their presentations and interpretations that these militant liberal civilian historians. The military historians better review the evidence. If only Samuel Eliot Morrison were alive today, he'd flail these people alive and expose them as the frauds they are .

Or maybe the military historians play to the gallery more often? It's a funny quirk of human reasoning that we often regard those who share our socio-political viewpoint as being more objective. As an aside, is Stephen Ambrose to be considered a military historian because, if he is, he certainly has never even heard of the word 'objective' and it's also worth noting that one of those military historians probably read by a number of people here at Subsim, Clay Blair, is not exactly lacking in natural bias either.