Sorry another targeting question

[Hitman]

@Makman and Pisces,

don't get touchy guys, I have readed all your posts and there seems to be some misunderstanding. Pisces is well known for his good ability with maths and he obviously will not need or even consider necessary much of the stuff included in the GUIS created by many people, so it's obvious that how he words his comments about them will make some impact on the creators of them. He has already noted that and clarified, and what he first worte certainly looked also to me a bit "despective", depending on how you read it. I'm sure that wasn't his intention, however, so I'm happy it is clarified, but it could be good to have some PM exchange betwene you to further work out a better understanding.

Thxs

[gi_dan2987]

There are many ways to skin the cat when it comes to gathering data for a good torpedo solution. I typically use a series of range and bearing readings to get course and speed, then from that you will always have AOB. When ready to fire, obtain the range, adjust the AOB to match the course, and fire. I prefer pinging when engaging convoys because it's much faster than shuffling through an ID manual.

[Pisces]

Originally Posted by misha1967

Not to butt in, and recognizing that I don't know what Pisces exactly meant, how could I?, I think he was trying to say that using the 90 degrees on target course, waiting method, you don't really need all that much, not disparaging the inclusion of the tools.

On the other hand, personally, I absolutely depend on the "distance traveled in x minutes to target speed" chart to find out what my target's speed is and I DO need that information to fire like this. There are other ways of getting that number, but that chart is by far the easiest way to get it for me and I'm grateful to have it. I could get the crew to estimate it for me but, as the years have gone by, I've found that I'm better at it getting good fixes than they are, so the chart is a Godsend to me.

Anyway, I'm grateful for all of the numerous historical tools that you modders have included to this great game and, as you said, if you don't need it you don't have to use it. And I think that Pisces feels the same way, he just wanted to simplify it a bit for Johnfb so he could focus on the two critical data points that you HAVE to have for this firing solution: Course and speed. How anybody goes about getting those is up to them and, if it hadn't been for you modders, we wouldn't have all of the great choices that we do have.

Actually, you are quite on the mark. (Pun intended ) Thanks for clarifying my position.

[Pisces]

Originally Posted by Hitman

@Makman and Pisces,

don't get touchy guys, I have readed all your posts and there seems to be some misunderstanding. Pisces is well known for his good ability with maths and he obviously will not need or even consider necessary much of the stuff included in the GUIS created by many people, so it's obvious that how he words his comments about them will make some impact on the creators of them. He has already noted that and clarified, and what he first worte certainly looked also to me a bit "despective", depending on how you read it. I'm sure that wasn't his intention, however, so I'm happy it is clarified, but it could be good to have some PM exchange betwene you to further work out a better understanding.

Thxs

I definitely do not mean to disrespect Makman94 or any other moder that provides additional tools to the game. I just meant to convey that, technically speaking, the (stock) game provides the means to get the torpedo on target with the TDC, assuming the right values are entered. It is not lacking, therefore not needing additional tools/tables for torpedo lead. You just have to know how. (hence I provided the steps) But if indeed the player has a play-style where he insists to ignore the lead-calculation and torpedo-steering of the TDC built in (or just doesn't know how to use it),... well, then that's ok too.

Wanting to hold on to certain play-style can be reason enough to do it, I suppose. I have to admit I am just as much a creature of habit, and get annoyed if someone wants me to change it. Therefore I changed my words into "not necessary", "not required". That doesn't mean you are forced to do it the way as intended (by Ubisoft), or doing it wrong, or are less of a person/stupid if you are using somebody's tools. Just that you can get torpedoes properly aimed on target without extras.

I have offered Makman94 to continue via PM but he declined. Yet still he confronted me with more questions. So I'll leave it at that. I have no problem or ill feelings towards him.

[makman94]

Originally Posted by Pisces

I definitely do not mean to disrespect Makman94 or any other moder that provides additional tools to the game. I just meant to convey that, technically speaking, the (stock) game provides the means to get the torpedo on target with the TDC, assuming the right values are entered. It is not lacking, therefore not needing additional tools/tables for torpedo lead. You just have to know how. (hence I provided the steps)

but you are doing it again!(the disrespect)
the (stock) game provides all the tools so ,also, is not necessery the stopwatch with speedlines ,the attack disc(front and back side),the 3-bearing tool ,the nomograph...etc...almost all that moders added all these years so why is it only with the tables the matter ? ...just another question for...flying around !
i can't repeat the same things again and again pisces without taking a serious answer .the fact that you are still allowed to continue posting more insults to me without answering to my messages is somehow an answer too.

But if indeed the player has a play-style where he insists to ignore the lead-calculation and torpedo-steering of the TDC built in (or just doesn't know how to use it),... well, then that's ok too.

so , now you are saying that i don't know how to use the TDC (...great conclusion btw...)
...you 'discovered' that periscope is showing the shooting bearing when TDC is on auto mode and you are acting like you discovered the....america ! seriously now , i would have greater expectations for you than only this.

... I have to admit I am just as much a creature of habit, and get annoyed if someone wants me to change it. ...

so, still you have understand that i want you to use the tables method! and you get annoyed too !
no pisces,it can't be so difficult to understant what i am telling you to my messages.you are just pretending that you don't understand becuase if you don't you will have to post : ''i am sorry makman ,you are absolutely right and i feel terrible for insulting you'' .

...Just that you can get torpedoes properly aimed on target without extras.

are not 'extras' , are alternative method ! (either the one or either the other...no extras). but keep pretending...

I have offered Makman94 to continue via PM but he declined. Yet still he confronted me with more questions. So I'll leave it at that. I have no problem or ill feelings towards him.

i gave you the 'opportunity' to 'clean' the mess that you started publicly but you just throw it away.it is all your actions
i was expecting a pm from you long time ago but it never came ....remember ?so no sir...i don't want any pms from you

btw pisces: fair judging demands deep knowledge! keep that in mind

[Hitman]

May I please ask both gentlemen to use PMs and if that doesn't work, to use the nice feature in the forum software to add the other to the "ignore" list? That way you won't ever again see a post by the other, and if all else fails, this is a good way to have a happy browsing here.

Thanks

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