The truth about Newt Gingrich

[mookiemookie]

Reagan during the 1982 State of the Union speech: "The budget plan I submit to you on Feb. 8 will realize major savings by dismantling the Department of Education." The Department of Education still exists today.

Also in 1982, he promised to dismantle the Department of Energy. The Department of Energy still exists today.

In addition to NOT cutting the size of government, he expanded it. Reagan elevated the VA into a cabinet level position in 1988.

Anyone that tries to conjure the shade of ol' patron Saint Ronnie in talking about smaller government is a fool.

[Blood_splat]

He sure let the Bull loose.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

There is no universal "truth" in world. Everyone on this mud ball we proudly call Earth (among other names) has their invidual point of view. There will always be someone who disagrees with "truth" someone else attempts to shovel down their throats.

What Bubblehead1980 have posted in this thread is not an "truth" its merely his opinion.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

There is no universal "truth" in world. Everyone on this mud ball we proudly call Earth (among other names) has their invidual point of view. There will always be someone who disagrees with "truth" someone else attempts to shovel down their throats.

What Bubblehead1980 have posted in this thread is not an "truth" its merely his opinion.

That kind of relativism is crap, but does not surprise me considering you are in Europe.Sure, there is a gray area often but there is a truth out there.For example, Keynesian Economics does not work, never has and never will yet there are people who defy that truth and still advocate that garbage .Fact aka the truth, Gingrich was later cleared by the IRS and was basically forced out by a Democratic lead witch hunt.Opinion? no, we are are far enough removed from those years and the info is out there, just do some reading and consider the times to put things in context.

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

That kind of relativism is crap, but does not surprise me considering you are in Europe.

Ohhhhhh boy

Fact: your first post was about 1/3 historical figures and past events, 1/3 personal justification/interpretation of said events, and 1/3 conjecture about possible future events based on completely theoretical summer oil prices and your own previous justifications.

1/3 facts and 2/3 conjecture does not make for "truth".

[Takeda Shingen]

Wow, this one went downhill pretty fast. I was going to reply to Halpo now that I am home from work, but I don't want to get in the way of Bubblehead trashing kraznyi for being European and placing all of America's problems at the feet of AVG (who, by the way, is absolutely correct). And to think that I was about to compliment you for your improved tone and rhetoric, Bubblehead. Boy would I have looked silly.

Halpo, the graph is just from Wikipedia's 'Reaganomics' (a crappy term, to be honest) page. It was quick and handy. Also, if you want to paste an image, right click, select copy, then right click the forum text box and select paste where you want it. So much easier than it used to be.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bu...71_to_2001.png

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Wow, this one went downhill pretty fast. I was going to reply to Halpo now that I am home from work, but I don't want to get in the way of Bubblehead trashing kraznyi for being European and placing all of America's problems at the feet of AVG (who, by the way, is absolutely correct). And to think that I was about to compliment you for your improved tone and rhetoric, Bubblehead. Boy would I have looked silly.

I know, I honestly didn't even want to jump in since for a bit it looked like just discussion and nitpicking around definitions of conservatism and the Reagan legacy, but IMO those two posts were just unfounded and rude

There's better ways to disagree than just throwing all possible critiques back at others with something like "you can't handle the truth!" and "it's your own fault for being such a cynic". And they weren't even directed at, you know, Tribesman or something who would've actually been asking for that and even happy to get it.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

That kind of relativism is crap, but does not surprise me considering you are in Europe.Sure, there is a gray area often but there is a truth out there.For example, Keynesian Economics does not work, never has and never will yet there are people who defy that truth and still advocate that garbage .Fact aka the truth, Gingrich was later cleared by the IRS and was basically forced out by a Democratic lead witch hunt.Opinion? no, we are are far enough removed from those years and the info is out there, just do some reading and consider the times to put things in context.

Bubbles, you were first one to come here with really big shovel and bulk carrier. You opted in your original post to just throw to us your version of "truth" without providing references on where you are basing your assesment of "truth". I have been on this forum relatively short time but I have learned this: when somebody comes here telling people about "facts" and what is "truth" in American politics its best to remember to take your own salt mountain with you to that "discussion".

Until you prove to me otherwise I'm going to assume that that bulk carrier is loaded with political brown stuff.

[Tchocky]

Expect a strong effort by Republican campaign committees and high-level consultants to ensure that Romney is the nominee. Nominating Gingrich would be a gift to the Obama team.

Ahh, the invasion of Grenada. Never was so much owed by so, er....communism...domino theory....medical students... to so few.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The Department of Education still exists today.....
The Department of Energy still exists today.

And who controlled the Congress during those years? A president can make all the speeches and promises he wants but if he doesn't control Congress he isn't dismantling anything.