Joe Paterno dead at 85

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

You're going to argue that Joe Paterno did not have enough influence to see an investigation involving his own program through to the end? Have you seen that shrine outside of Beaver Stadium? The guy was like the living god of Happy Valley and one of the most powerful individuals affiliated with the university.

Paterno did not follow through on this investigation. He was perfectly happy to have it swept under the rug in the name of preserving his own image, and the board was more than willing to cooperate in that regard. He is as guilty as they are.

the Cops dropped the investigation...Paterno told his superiors about the situation...they chose to bury it. So what if Joe was a legendary coach there, legally he has no power to force investigations, and still is under his boss, The AD. I think the blame more falls with the people who ACTUALLY had the power to do something, Campus Police (who had jurisdiction on the crimes since they were committed on school grounds), the AD or the Board. If Paterno was so evil, the buck would have stopped with him, but he reported it to the powers that be...and It sounds like Sandusky was barred from the premises and the organization He Ran was told, which was woefully inadequate, but not a decision Paterno made, or had the authority to make technically. But he was penalized for doing what he was supposed to: reporting unlawful conduct to his Bosses'

I just feel like he was made an example of, to shield others from the blame. The President was allowed to quit, and the one indicted for perjury; Shultz and Curley are getting their legal fees paid By PSU. But was Paterno allowed to do the same? Nope. he was fired over the phone.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

the Cops dropped the investigation...Paterno told his superiors about the situation...they chose to bury it. So what if Joe was a legendary coach there, legally he has no power to force investigations, and still is under his boss, The AD. I think the blame more falls with the people who ACTUALLY had the power to do something, Campus Police (who had jurisdiction on the crimes since they were committed on school grounds), the AD or the Board. If Paterno was so evil, the buck would have stopped with him, but he reported it to the powers that be...and It sounds like Sandusky was barred from the premises and the organization He Ran was told, which was woefully inadequate, but not a decision Paterno made, or had the authority to make technically. But he was penalized for doing what he was supposed to: reporting unlawful conduct to his Bosses'

I just feel like he was made an example of, to shield others from the blame. The President was allowed to quit, and the one indicted for perjury; Shultz and Curley are getting their legal fees paid By PSU. But was Paterno allowed to do the same? Nope. he was fired over the phone.

Paterno gets a say in who uses the locker rooms, showers, weight room, etc. The very minimum that he could have done was to ban him from the facility. He didn't. It was Shultz that made the pathetic effort in saying that he couldn't have kids in there anymore, not Paterno. A reasonable human being would have wanted this guy as far away from him, his students and his program as possible, and he would want it yesterday. That didn't happen either. Don't tell me that Joe Pa didn't half-ass this.

Paterno was given the opportunity to resign. He said that he would step down at the end of the season; in effect 'I'll leave when I'm good and ready'. If Shultz and Curley were not allowed to remain until that time, why should Paterno? PSU did the right thing there.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Paterno gets a say in who uses the locker rooms, showers, weight room, etc. The very minimum that he could have done was to ban him from the facility. He didn't. It was Shultz that made the pathetic effort in saying that he couldn't have kids in there anymore, not Paterno. A reasonable human being would have wanted this guy as far away from him, his students and his program as possible, and he would want it yesterday. That didn't happen either. Don't tell me that Joe Pa didn't half-ass this.

Paterno was given the opportunity to resign. He said that he would step down at the end of the season; in effect 'I'll leave when I'm good and ready'. If Shultz and Curley were not allowed to remain until that time, why should Paterno? PSU did the right thing there.

but it's not his responsibility to pass judgement, and how was he supposed to know those allegations were true? If he had saw the actions first hand, I would have said what you are saying....but...

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

but it's not his responsibility to pass judgement, and how was he supposed to know those allegations were true? If he had saw the actions first hand, I would have said what you are saying....but...

But when one of your assistants comes in and tells you that he saw Sandusky raping a boy in the locker room shower, you allow him to 'retire'. You don't get him out. You don't put him on administrative leave. You let him leave when he is good and ready. And Sandusky didn't retire. He applied many places afterwards, even trying to start a football program at PSU's Juniata campus. Paterno, Shultz and all of the powers that be knew that they had a bad seed on their hands, and they did the absolute minimum about it. And now we've got flags flying at half staff in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania for the man.

[mookiemookie]

People are saying it's too soon for Joe Paterno jokes. I guess I should wait a decade to say anything, just like he did.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

People are saying it's too soon for Joe Paterno jokes. I guess I should wait a decade to say anything, just like he did.

Zing!