Red Tails (2012)

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by IonicRipper

How can you base your opinion of a whole movie on a trailer?

Haven't you ever heard not to judge a book by its cover?

Isn't the point of a trailer to give the viewer an impression of what the movie is like so they can determine whether its something they want to see? Most people base an opinion of a movie on the trailer before watching the full deal. Sometimes that opinion is correct sometimes not.

[krashkart]

I base most of my opinions about books simply by looking at the cover. If the layout is visually appealing I buy it immediately, regardless of the book's actual content. If, however, the cover is plain and boring, like for instance the cover of FM 71-2 Tank and Mechanized Infantry Battalion Task Force (my copy was OD green), I shower the book with disgust and verbal abuse, attempt to set it aflame with a menacing scowl (which never seems to work), then look around at the other customers and implore them as to exactly why they are staring at me.

I do exactly the same thing with movies. If the trailer assaults my eyes with barrage after barrage of visual goodness and sparkly fireworks, I know in my heart that it will be an even greater spectacle of entertainment than the bi-weekly hangin' (and bake sale) we hold in town square, and that it will certainly be worth the trouble of smuggling booze into the theater on opening night.

However, if the movie trailer evokes even the slightest twinge of intellectual thought, I am much more inclined to eat a jar full of pickled beetle grubs than to put forth the effort of sneaking the six or seven bottles of Thunderbird that it takes to get me started into the theater on opening night.

There is a method to my madness, folks. Trust me; Red Tails will go down in history as the greatest war movie ever seen by man.


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[moose1am]

I haver not seen the movie so I don't necessaryily agree with you. If I like you judged the movie from just the trailer I'd have to rate it below par. But I don't rate movies like that. I prefer to watch them in full before I review them. But that's just the way I do things.

Originally Posted by krashkart

I base most of my opinions about books simply by looking at the cover. If the layout is visually appealing I buy it immediately, regardless of the book's actual content. If, however, the cover is plain and boring, like for instance the cover of FM 71-2 Tank and Mechanized Infantry Battalion Task Force (my copy was OD green), I shower the book with disgust and verbal abuse, attempt to set it aflame with a menacing scowl (which never seems to work), then look around at the other customers and implore them as to exactly why they are staring at me.

I do exactly the same thing with movies. If the trailer assaults my eyes with barrage after barrage of visual goodness and sparkly fireworks, I know in my heart that it will be an even greater spectacle of entertainment than the bi-weekly hangin' (and bake sale) we hold in town square, and that it will certainly be worth the trouble of smuggling booze into the theater on opening night.

However, if the movie trailer evokes even the slightest twinge of intellectual thought, I am much more inclined to eat a jar full of pickled beetle grubs than to put forth the effort of sneaking the six or seven bottles of Thunderbird that it takes to get me started into the theater on opening night.

There is a method to my madness, folks. Trust me; Red Tails will go down in history as the greatest war movie ever seen by man.


Disclaimer: the author of this post does not take this post seriously, nor should you. This public service announcement brought to you by the makers of Thunderbird. Thunderbird: making crazy people rant since... THE DAWN OF TIME!

[Sailor Steve]

After the mediocre reviews I'll probably see it anyway, just because I haven't been to the theater for awhile and I'm a sucker for airplanes. Sometimes ya just gotta!

[MH]

Pew....again i was not talking about the problems and statistics behind air combat.
Similar statistics is true when in comes to ground fire fight.
In nutshell i was saying that 0.5 is highly accurate gun very far from 'shotgun at point blank range' and i hold to this view.

[tater]

The problem with il-2 .50s was the ammo belting. It was almost all ball until modders fixed it. Simply putting in the proper US belting makes a big difference, particularly in the PTO. US belting for aircraft should be almost all API instead of the all ball, with the occasional tracer Oleg gave them (the jap 12.7mm MG in the Oscar was belted with HE rounds, and in many cases playing I found the 2 oscar guns to be more effective than 6 US fifties in the stock game).

[moose1am]

I found that to be true with another Russian Programmed Game called Fighter Ace. In the beginning of FA 1.0 the P51's 6 fifty cals didn't kill as well as they did later in the game when they uped the firepower on them. There was a lot of discussion like this in the FA forums and eventually they changed the damage that was done by the Fifty's and improved them a lot. A lot of players who use to fly the Me 109 K4 got made as they also downgraded the explosive power of the 30 mm shells and changed their tragectory from lazer accurate to water hose type ballestics. The 30 mm shells were slow and dropped right out of the barrel after firing due to their slow velocities and slower rate of fire.

And the argument about the type of ammo loaded in the belts helped to pursuade the owner and the programmer to change the way they modeled the US Fifty Cals.

Originally Posted by tater

The problem with il-2 .50s was the ammo belting. It was almost all ball until modders fixed it. Simply putting in the proper US belting makes a big difference, particularly in the PTO. US belting for aircraft should be almost all API instead of the all ball, with the occasional tracer Oleg gave them (the jap 12.7mm MG in the Oscar was belted with HE rounds, and in many cases playing I found the 2 oscar guns to be more effective than 6 US fifties in the stock game).

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by moose1am

I haver not seen the movie so I don't necessaryily agree with you. If I like you judged the movie from just the trailer I'd have to rate it below par. But I don't rate movies like that. I prefer to watch them in full before I review them. But that's just the way I do things.

But the best way to judge anything is to first look at it and determine if it strikes your fancy or not. Just like books, man. Some book covers are awesome to look at, and other book covers are just so bland that one must wonder what form of life could possibly look upon such a travesty without vomiting! The same principle applies to movies. Some movie trailers are worth looking at while others are just boring and/or sappy in a Disney or Ken Burns or Ridley Scott or chick-flick sort of way (et cetera ad nauseum). I have found that the more glorious the movie trailer, the more glorious the movie. If the trailer reeks of unbelievable BS and/or is (most especially) thrown together with a weed whacker, some sparklers and a few gallons of gasoline in Micheal Bay's basement, the movie is most assuredly going to be a hands-down winner with "ALL THUMBS UP, BRO!!" cascading down from even the harshest of critics.

Believe me, dude. I know what I are talking about. I'm an movie expert.

[IonicRipper]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Isn't the point of a trailer to give the viewer an impression of what the movie is like so they can determine whether its something they want to see? Most people base an opinion of a movie on the trailer before watching the full deal. Sometimes that opinion is correct sometimes not.

But can you really say if a movie is either good or not just from the trailer? I dont think so.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by IonicRipper

But can you really say if a movie is either good or not just from the trailer? I dont think so.

You can certainly determine if there are two minutes of it you find enjoyable

[IonicRipper]

Actually let me rephrase that... You can definitely know if a movie will be cheesy or not by watching the trailer but you cant really know for sure until you watch it.

I've been deceived numerous times by trailers both in good and in bad ways.

[Schöneboom]

Here's an interview with Lucas about the film:

http://www.geekchicdaily.com/video/g...the-daily-show

I'll give it a chance. "Trust the Force!"

[USS Drum]

I just hope it's not a Star Wars type movie because he probably is going to use this as a replacement of the Death Star:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1000_Ratte

[IonicRipper]

Originally Posted by USS Drum

I just hope it's not a Star Wars type movie because he probably is going to use this as a replacement of the Death Star:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1000_Ratte

Or a Zeppelin for that matter

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by USS Drum

I just hope it's not a Star Wars type movie because he probably is going to use this as a replacement of the Death Star:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1000_Ratte

Albert Speer was a genius for killing this project. Something like this would have served no strategic value, outside of defending Berlin for a few more days.

Thanks for that USS Drum. I never knew about such hardware.
It would have changed other battles for sure. It was just in line with other German tech at the time, too complicated to be mass produced.