HMS Aboukir, HMS Hogue and HMS Cressy to be scrapped.

Sailor Steve · 01-10-12, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

(no disrespect to the Brits) This is one of my favorite U-Boat stories. I can only imagine what it was like to be in the control room of the U-9

Three cruisers

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Then you should also imagine what it was like to be the same captain, in the control room of U-29, when that boat was run over and squashed like a bug by 18,000 tons of HMS Dreadnought.

Jimbuna · 01-10-12, 03:51 PM

Let us not stray into the realms of insults and name calling please...we are all better than that.

TIA

nikimcbee · 01-10-12, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Then you should also imagine what it was like to be the same captain, in the control room of U-29, when that boat was run over and squashed like a bug by 18,000 tons of HMS Dreadnought.

Did you hear something? Crunch.
It was over pretty quick I imagine for them.

If I recall, did the Dreadnought hit them midships?

I forgot, U-29's engine had died and they couldn't move.

Takeda Shingen · 01-10-12, 05:56 PM

I don't know, my view is that this is not unlike the old practice of 'clearing' graveyards for new use; a common practice up until the 19th Century. It can be considered a desecration, or it can be thought of as forward-looking and utilitarian. Ultimately, it is only the living that squabble about it; the dead don't really care one way or another.

01-10-12, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I don't know, my view is that this is not unlike the old practice of 'clearing' graveyards for new use; a common practice up until the 19th Century. It can be considered a desecration, or it can be thought of as forward-looking and utilitarian. Ultimately, it is only the living that squabble about it; the dead don't really care one way or another.

My point exactly. Provided any human remains are treated with due respect and re-interred with honour, the ships themselves are really so much scrap. Valuable and useful scrap at that.

Takeda Shingen · 01-10-12, 06:15 PM

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My point exactly. Provided any human remains are treated with due respect and re-interred with honour, the ships themselves are really so much scrap. Valuable and useful scrap at that.

Well, yes and no. I can completely understand your point and agree with it. However, I have no connection with those that died there. I probably wouldn't be crazy about somebody doing the same with the graves of my parents, so I can see the other side as well. It all depends on your perspective.

01-10-12, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Well, yes and no. I can completely understand your point and agree with it. However, I have no connection with those that died there. I probably wouldn't be crazy about somebody doing the same with the graves of my parents, so I can see the other side as well. It all depends on your perspective.

Fair ball. I see it as a distinction without a difference however.

August · 01-10-12, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I don't know, my view is that this is not unlike the old practice of 'clearing' graveyards for new use; a common practice up until the 19th Century. It can be considered a desecration, or it can be thought of as forward-looking and utilitarian. Ultimately, it is only the living that squabble about it; the dead don't really care one way or another.

Well said.

Reminds me of the Japanese governments effort to clear Truk Lagoon of remains so it can be opened up as a dive resort. They handled it with dignity and reverence. Perhaps the same thing can be accomplished in this case.

Sailor Steve · 01-11-12, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I forgot, U-29's engine had died and they couldn't move.

Where did you get that from? Every account I've read says that U-29 was in the process of attacking the fleet when Dreadnought spotted the periscope and ran her over.

Catfish · 01-11-12, 05:20 AM

Well it was U-29 which was sunk by a Dreadnought, but it had been U-9 which sunk the three cruisers. Of course, Weddigen had been commander of both.

Even if it had been defenseless and surfaced, Churchill's order was that "Shipwrecked crews [of U-boats] should be arrested or shot, whatever seems practical." A fleet being threatend by U-boats would have most probably made a ramming "more practical"

Jimbuna · 01-11-12, 08:24 AM

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Dreadnoughtserved with the 4th Battle Squadron in the North Sea during the first two years of World War I. On 18 March 1915, while so employed, she rammed and sank the German Submarine U-29.

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/s...-d/drednt9.htm

nikimcbee · 01-12-12, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Where did you get that from? Every account I've read says that U-29 was in the process of attacking the fleet when Dreadnought spotted the periscope and ran her over.

This is from wiki

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ritish dreadnought battleships fired on their German counterparts during the war. However, she became the only battleship ever to sink a submarine when she rammed the SM U-29 when it unexpectedly broke the surface after firing a torpedo at another dreadnought in 1915.

Ah, here's the problem. I was thinking of the U-15

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The engines had apparently failed as she was laying stopped on the surface in heavy fog when HMS Birmingham spotted her and could clearly hear hammering from inside the boat (presumably from attempted repairs). The cruiser fired on her but missed, and as the boat began to dive, she rammed her cutting her in two. This was the first U-boat loss to an enemy warship.

Oberon · 01-12-12, 03:24 PM

Sounds to me like someone didn't adjust the trim after firing quick enough...

Jimbuna · 01-12-12, 05:52 PM

She was rammed by Dreadnought....read the link in my earlier post

Oberon · 01-12-12, 07:06 PM

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She was rammed by Dreadnought....read the link in my earlier post

I meant how she broached just before Dreadnought rammed her.

01-10-12, 03:51 PM	#2
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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,799 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Well it was U-29 which was sunk by a Dreadnought, but it had been U-9 which sunk the three cruisers. Of course, Weddigen had been commander of both. Even if it had been defenseless and surfaced, Churchill's order was that "Shipwrecked crews [of U-boats] should be arrested or shot, whatever seems practical." A fleet being threatend by U-boats would have most probably made a ramming "more practical" Last edited by Catfish; 01-11-12 at 05:31 AM.

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,788 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	She was rammed by Dreadnought....read the link in my earlier post __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I don't know, my view is that this is not unlike the old practice of 'clearing' graveyards for new use; a common practice up until the 19th Century. It can be considered a desecration, or it can be thought of as forward-looking and utilitarian. Ultimately, it is only the living that squabble about it; the dead don't really care one way or another.

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Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Sounds to me like someone didn't adjust the trim after firing quick enough...