TMO - duds and duds and more duds!!

[Floyd]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_14_torpedo

Dan Daspit (in Tinosa) carefully documented his efforts to sink 19,000 ton whale factory ship Tonan Maru III on 24 July 1943. He fired four torpedoes from 4,000 yd (3,700 m); two hit, stopping the target dead in the water. Daspit immediately fired another two; these hit as well. With no enemy anti-submarine combatants in sight, Daspit then took time to carefully maneuver into a textbook firing position, 875 yd (800 m) square off the target's beam, where he fired nine more Mark 14s and observed all with his periscope (despite the Japanese firing at it). All were duds.Daspit, suspicious by now he was working with a faulty production run of Mark 14s, saved his last remaining torpedo to be analyzed by experts back at base. Nothing out of the ordinary was found.

Do not fire from a "perfect" position.

[Ray.]

really??
where should i fire from!?

How fast can i replace this "plague" !

[Fish40]

U.S. torpedoes were plagued with problems early on in the war. Both the exploder and depth keeping mechanism were faulty. Your best bet early war, is to set the torpedo depth as shallow as possible, set the torpedo speed to slow, and try to fire at an angle other than 90 degrees.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Ray.

really??
where should i fire from!?

How fast can i replace this "plague" !

On top of the magnetic pistol and depth-keeping problems they discovered that if the impact pistol struck from a perfect 90-degree angle it had a good chance of crushing the firing pin and not exploding. Striking at a technically "worse" angle made the torpedo explode. Surprisingly the Germans had the opposite problem - impact-set torpedoes would only explode at a 90-degree angle.

[Ducimus]

Duci's Weather rock for Torpedo firing

If sea is windy, use impact. Getting to the target is half the problem.
If sea is calm, use magnetic. Getting to the target isn't the problem.

[Stoli151]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Duci's Weather rock for Torpedo firing

If sea is windy, use impact. Getting to the target is half the problem.
If sea is calm, use magnetic. Getting to the target isn't the problem.

I used this advice in early 42 and get quite a bit of my torpedoes to detonate along with setting depth at zero and use low speed when possible. Since it is his mod he would know. The only problem I have now is that once they do detonate the DD's know I am there and getting away from them is a whole other issue for me.

[Ducimus]

The truth is, how failures work in game is horribly flawed. I didn't realize this until after i had experimented with it for quite a bit.

As you know the game has two detonation pistols.
1. Magnetic
2. Impact.


The flaw is this in terms of tweaking dud rates as a modder:

Impact pistols:
Dud rates can be tweaked, but not premature rates. which is correct, with no magnetic influence, wave actions won't cause a premature detonation.

Magnetic pistols:
Now here's the kick in the teeth. Magnetic pistol can detionate via both a solid hit against a hull, or magnetic influence. You can tweak premature rates, but you cannot tweak impact dud rates. Dud rates for impact hits while using the magnetic pistol seems to be this hard coded value somewhere that is abysmally low.

So in sum you can:
- tweak an impact pistol to dud all you like.
- tweak a magnetic pistol to premature all you like.

But you can not:
- Tweak an impact pistol to premature
- Tweak a magnetic pistol to dud.


Now go back, and reread my Indian weather rock on torpedo firing. lol

[peabody]

[TorpX]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Duci's Weather rock for Torpedo firing

If sea is windy, use impact. Getting to the target is half the problem.

If sea is calm, use magnetic. Getting to the target isn't the problem.

A couple of technical questions:

1. Will there be a in-game Mark I 'TorpRock' in TMO 2.6?


2. Can Torpedomen with Special Rock Ability (and trained by BuOrd) operate 'TorpRock' underwater without penalty?

[razark]

Originally Posted by Bureau of Ordnance

There is nothing wrong with your torpedoes. You are obviously using them incorrectly. You need to train in proper torpedo usage, and your crew needs better training in proper torpedo maintenance procedures. The Mark 14 torpedo with Mark VI Exploder is a perfectly fine weapon, and if y'all weren't such dunderheads, you might actually sink something.

BuOrd

See? The torpedoes are perfectly fine. The designers said so. You must be using them wrong, they say.

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by razark

See? The torpedoes are perfectly fine. The designers said so. You must be using them wrong, they say.

damn right they are!!