Okla. Woman Shoots, Kills Intruder: 911 Operators Say It's Okay to Shoot

Ducimus · 01-04-12, 02:32 PM

Castle Law for teh win.

Jimbuna · 01-04-12, 02:34 PM

Strike up another win for the good folk

HunterICX · 01-04-12, 03:30 PM

Well guess it's obvious that you shouldn't screw around with a widow mom armed with a 12 gauge shotgun.

HunterICX

Platapus · 01-04-12, 07:51 PM

Legal or not, shooting an intruder must be a terrible thing to live with. I hope she can deal with it or get help dealing with it.

tater · 01-04-12, 11:04 PM

These guys were breaking in specifically because she was there. This was not a burglary gone wrong. They meant to at the very least rape her. Good for her.

She did herself, her kid, and society a favor. The only downside was that she didn't off both of them.

Takeda Shingen · 01-04-12, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

These guys were breaking in specifically because she was there. This was not a burglary gone wrong. They meant to at the very least rape her. Good for her.

Source?

tater · 01-04-12, 11:21 PM

What woman with an infant is out new years eve? Had they wanted to burgle, they'd have come a work day.

Sorry, source was OP story. It said New Years Eve. Any B&E at night has to assume the residents are home unless they watched them leave.

Besides, the story said:

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When Martin kicked in the door and came after her with the knife, the teen mom shot and killed the 24-year-old. Police are calling the shooting justified.

He attacked her.

GoldenRivet · 01-05-12, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Legal or not, shooting an intruder must be a terrible thing to live with. I hope she can deal with it or get help dealing with it.

agreed.

like something Clint Eastwood said in one of his movies...

When you kill a man you have to make a split second decision to take everything he has away from him, to take everything he will ever have away from him, to reduce everything he ever could be to nothing.

when an intruder breaks into your home with a 12" hunting knife... he has obviously already made those decisions regarding you.

fire away

soopaman2 · 01-05-12, 12:31 PM

As a legal firearms owner in a bad state to own them in I asked about this scenario to a cop buddy of mine.

He told me if I shot an intruder he would be forced to arrest me for manslaughter. He thinks it is crap, as our gun control laws are draconian here. Easier for a hood rat to get a gun, than an upstanding citizen.

He told me, not all states have "castle" laws.

I am glad most others haven't had their rights taken yet.

GoldenRivet · 01-05-12, 12:34 PM

given my recent experiences... everything in New Jersey is draconian.

Penguin · 01-05-12, 01:10 PM

Could it be that these (in)famous Castle Laws do not apply to this situation?
Since we are talking about an armed intruder self-defense laws would apply to this case imo.

However there are some idiotic sentences out there where judges underestiminate the lethality of a knife.
I don't know how judges would see it though if you don't give out a warning before using lethal force, but in this case you have given away the tactical advantage: your position and your armament status which are both unknown to the intruder.

Ducimus · 01-05-12, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

like something Clint Eastwood said in one of his movies...

When you kill a man you have to make a split second decision to take everything he has away from him, to take everything he will ever have away from him, to reduce everything he ever could be to nothing.

Personally, im of the thought of putting the mangy animal down and then ill sleep like a baby. He won't be bothering me, or anyone else either again, and the world is a better place without them; and I sleep MUCH better knowing I'm safe.

The thing.. the real thing is, having the courage of conviction. To make the decision, and follow through. A lot of people can't do that.

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HunterICX Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2006 Location: Malaga, España Posts: 10,750 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Well guess it's obvious that you shouldn't screw around with a widow mom armed with a 12 gauge shotgun. HunterICX __________________

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,379 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Legal or not, shooting an intruder must be a terrible thing to live with. I hope she can deal with it or get help dealing with it. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	These guys were breaking in specifically because she was there. This was not a burglary gone wrong. They meant to at the very least rape her. Good for her. She did herself, her kid, and society a favor. The only downside was that she didn't off both of them. __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine Last edited by tater; 01-04-12 at 11:20 PM.

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soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	As a legal firearms owner in a bad state to own them in I asked about this scenario to a cop buddy of mine. He told me if I shot an intruder he would be forced to arrest me for manslaughter. He thinks it is crap, as our gun control laws are draconian here. Easier for a hood rat to get a gun, than an upstanding citizen. He told me, not all states have "castle" laws. I am glad most others haven't had their rights taken yet. __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Castle Law for teh win.

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GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	given my recent experiences... everything in New Jersey is draconian. __________________

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Penguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Rheinische Republik Posts: 3,322 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	Could it be that these (in)famous Castle Laws do not apply to this situation? Since we are talking about an armed intruder self-defense laws would apply to this case imo. However there are some idiotic sentences out there where judges underestiminate the lethality of a knife. I don't know how judges would see it though if you don't give out a warning before using lethal force, but in this case you have given away the tactical advantage: your position and your armament status which are both unknown to the intruder.