S-class's crush depth....

USS Drum · 01-01-12, 07:11 PM

Well if any of you S-Boat lovers wanna know how much you can take her down to in TMO 2.5 you can safely go down to 250ft anywhere past that your dead.

TorpX · 01-01-12, 08:04 PM

Should I ask how you found out?

USS Drum · 01-01-12, 08:07 PM

Ummmmm... I started out a career just for testing TMO 2.5 and I wanted to try it out so I went to that deep spot in Brisbane went down to 250ft went down a little more then Hull damaged, Compressor damaged etc.

TorpX · 01-01-12, 08:23 PM

Don't feel bad. Before I got SH 4, I toyed around with SH 3. I had a tragically short career in a type II u-boat. I took it under for a test dive at some nice deep spot, like you did. My thinking was that since I could go a lot deeper in SH 1, than the test depth, I should be able to do the same in a type II. I figured there was little danger because surely there would be lots of warning signs of impending hull failure........ Well, turns out not so much. The last thing me and my happless crew were aware of were lights going out and circuits shorting.

Soviet Creeper · 01-01-12, 08:45 PM

I find out my crush depths when I get a airplane bomb to my everything

WernherVonTrapp · 01-02-12, 03:33 AM

Hmm, are you sure you didn't have a little hull damage already? I just evaded some DDs and took my S-Boat (TMO 2.5) down to 256 feet with no ill effects.

USS Drum · 01-02-12, 02:20 PM

It was about 250ft actually more like 260ft when I imploded so yeah.

pabbi · 01-02-12, 05:09 PM

It matters were you are, i have tested sub class depth's a round California, Pearl, Australia and other places it is never the same. So i must assume that the game has some way to make different sea states a round the world.

For example S class boat crush depth can vary from 250 feet down to 350 feet, off course what mods one is using makes differ.

TorpX · 01-02-12, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pabbi

For example S class boat crush depth can vary from 250 feet down to 350 feet, off course what mods one is using makes differ.

That's quite a large spread. What mods do you use?

WernherVonTrapp · 01-03-12, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pabbi

It matters were you are, i have tested sub class depth's a round California, Pearl, Australia and other places it is never the same. So i must assume that the game has some way to make different sea states a round the world.

For example S class boat crush depth can vary from 250 feet down to 350 feet, off course what mods one is using makes differ.

Are you sure about that? The only difference I know of, regarding PSI against a sub's skin, is that fresh water is lighter (less dense) than salt water. I know that even the slightest percentage of hull damage can have a significant effect when approaching the crush depth of a sub, but I've never heard that an intact hull will have different crush depths at different locations.

pabbi · 01-03-12, 02:25 PM

I'm using REL_TriggerMaru_Overhaul for v. 1.4.
RSRDC for TMO with patch and CTDFIX
Ship debris with bodies
Table map 1.3
Websters real lifeboat fix for 1.4
Websters S-class mod
Torpex Torpedoes
The Darkwraith dc water disturbance v. 2.0

All test were made in a brand new boat.
250 feet to 350 feet is not accurate more like 250 feet to like 310 or 315 feet.

TorpX · 01-03-12, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by pabbi

Websters S-class mod

This could have something to do with the variation of S-boat hull strength. As WernherVonTrapp said, it is hard to see why there would be so much variation unless some of the boats had damage.

pabbi · 01-03-12, 08:53 PM

After going over the readme file has come to me senses that i must not have had this mod activatied when performing these tests.

Websters S-class mod.
From the readme file.

Changes made by this mod:

S-Boat Skin:

Stock had an early war dark skin with a little rust and a late war silver skin with a little rust on it, I took the darker early war skins and I added a lot more rust to it and I added a more dirty weathered look so the skin really looks like a rusty 20 year old boat now. The early war and late war boats will now both use the same dark colored rusty skin.

Crush Depth:

Stock crush depth is 300 ft and in this mod I reset the crush depth to only 200 ft to simulate the 20 year old weakened hull

Hull Strength:

To simulate the 20 years of wear and tear and rust, along with riveted design construction, this mod reduces hull strength and armor levels to about 25% of the stock levels so it doesn***8217;t take much to sink you.

Dive Speeds: (I couldn***8217;t do much with the dive times but I did what I could to make them longer then stock times)

Crash dive from 6 kts @ ahead std - stock time was 20-22 seconds, my mod has it at 28-30 seconds

Dive to periscope depth @ 10 kts - stock time is 70 seconds to the level off point, my mod has it at 100 seconds

Fuel Range: (wikipedia data says new s-boats had a surfaced range of 5,000 nm)

Using my mod, flank gets a range of 1,900 nm

Using my mod, ahead std gets a range of 4,700 nm

Speed Settings:

Diesel - flank 10kts, ahead full 8 kts, ahead std 6kts, 2/3 4kts, 1/3 2kts

Electric - flank 7kts, ahead full 6 kts, ahead std 4kts, 2/3 3kts, 1/3 1kts

Batteries: (tested at 0 kts, submerged at periscope depth, and a fully charged battery)

@ ahead flank (7kts) - Battery lasts 2 hours and 40 minutes until battery discharged warning

@ ahead std (5kts) - Battery lasts 3 hours and 20 minutes until battery discharged warning

@ ahead 1/3 (1kt) - Battery lasts 22 hours and 50 minutes until battery discharged warning

- Stock battery lasts 55 hours to 60 hours until you get the battery discharged warning

Battery Charging:

Stock battery recharge time to fully recharge from the 10% charge warning or the battery discharged warning for s-boats was a ridiculously long 55-60 hours, with this mod it takes only 1 hour 15 minutes.

I feel that the recharge times are now too short to be realistic but it was necessary to set it there so that other things related to battery life would work properly.

USS Drum · 01-03-12, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pabbi

Websters S-class mod.

Stock had an early war dark skin with a little rust and a late war silver skin with a little rust on it, I took the darker early war skins and I added a lot more rust to it and I added a more dirty weathered look so the skin really looks like a rusty 20 year old boat now. The early war and late war boats will now both use the same dark colored rusty skin.

Uhhhh.... Well the game is realistic because they will obviously PAINT IT.

pabbi · 01-04-12, 07:21 PM

I was going to fire up the game and do some test divings but no

anim.act is missing you will have to reinstall the program.

Damn, well of to reinstall the game.

01-01-12, 07:11 PM	#1
USS Drum Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington State Posts: 977 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	S-class's crush depth.... Well if any of you S-Boat lovers wanna know how much you can take her down to in TMO 2.5 you can safely go down to 250ft anywhere past that your dead.

01-01-12, 08:45 PM	#5
Soviet Creeper Planesman Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: In the corner of shame Posts: 187 Downloads: 143 Uploads: 0	I find out my crush depths when I get a airplane bomb to my everything __________________ I used to be a huge submarine guy but now I'm a huge submarine girl ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

01-02-12, 03:33 AM	#6
WernherVonTrapp Admiral Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Now, alot farther from NYC. Posts: 2,228 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 0	Hmm, are you sure you didn't have a little hull damage already? I just evaded some DDs and took my S-Boat (TMO 2.5) down to 256 feet with no ill effects. __________________ "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step." -Miyamoto Musashi ------------------------------------------------------- "What is truth?" -Pontius Pilate

01-02-12, 05:09 PM	#8
pabbi Subsim Overlord Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: On the top of the world Posts: 215 Downloads: 454 Uploads: 0	It matters were you are, i have tested sub class depth's a round California, Pearl, Australia and other places it is never the same. So i must assume that the game has some way to make different sea states a round the world. For example S class boat crush depth can vary from 250 feet down to 350 feet, off course what mods one is using makes differ. __________________ On the top of the world

01-03-12, 02:25 PM	#11
pabbi Subsim Overlord Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: On the top of the world Posts: 215 Downloads: 454 Uploads: 0	I'm using REL_TriggerMaru_Overhaul for v. 1.4. RSRDC for TMO with patch and CTDFIX Ship debris with bodies Table map 1.3 Websters real lifeboat fix for 1.4 Websters S-class mod Torpex Torpedoes The Darkwraith dc water disturbance v. 2.0 All test were made in a brand new boat. 250 feet to 350 feet is not accurate more like 250 feet to like 310 or 315 feet. __________________ On the top of the world Last edited by pabbi; 01-03-12 at 02:39 PM.

01-01-12, 08:04 PM	#2
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	Should I ask how you found out?

01-01-12, 08:07 PM	#3
USS Drum Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington State Posts: 977 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	Ummmmm... I started out a career just for testing TMO 2.5 and I wanted to try it out so I went to that deep spot in Brisbane went down to 250ft went down a little more then Hull damaged, Compressor damaged etc.

01-01-12, 08:23 PM	#4
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	Don't feel bad. Before I got SH 4, I toyed around with SH 3. I had a tragically short career in a type II u-boat. I took it under for a test dive at some nice deep spot, like you did. My thinking was that since I could go a lot deeper in SH 1, than the test depth, I should be able to do the same in a type II. I figured there was little danger because surely there would be lots of warning signs of impending hull failure........ Well, turns out not so much. The last thing me and my happless crew were aware of were lights going out and circuits shorting.

01-02-12, 02:20 PM	#7
USS Drum Grey Wolf Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington State Posts: 977 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	It was about 250ft actually more like 260ft when I imploded so yeah.

01-03-12, 08:53 PM	#13
pabbi Subsim Overlord Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: On the top of the world Posts: 215 Downloads: 454 Uploads: 0	After going over the readme file has come to me senses that i must not have had this mod activatied when performing these tests. Websters S-class mod. From the readme file. Changes made by this mod: S-Boat Skin: Stock had an early war dark skin with a little rust and a late war silver skin with a little rust on it, I took the darker early war skins and I added a lot more rust to it and I added a more dirty weathered look so the skin really looks like a rusty 20 year old boat now. The early war and late war boats will now both use the same dark colored rusty skin. Crush Depth: Stock crush depth is 300 ft and in this mod I reset the crush depth to only 200 ft to simulate the 20 year old weakened hull Hull Strength: To simulate the 20 years of wear and tear and rust, along with riveted design construction, this mod reduces hull strength and armor levels to about 25% of the stock levels so it doesn*8217;t take much to sink you. Dive Speeds: (I couldn*8217;t do much with the dive times but I did what I could to make them longer then stock times) Crash dive from 6 kts @ ahead std - stock time was 20-22 seconds, my mod has it at 28-30 seconds Dive to periscope depth @ 10 kts - stock time is 70 seconds to the level off point, my mod has it at 100 seconds Fuel Range: (wikipedia data says new s-boats had a surfaced range of 5,000 nm) Using my mod, flank gets a range of 1,900 nm Using my mod, ahead std gets a range of 4,700 nm Speed Settings: Diesel - flank 10kts, ahead full 8 kts, ahead std 6kts, 2/3 4kts, 1/3 2kts Electric - flank 7kts, ahead full 6 kts, ahead std 4kts, 2/3 3kts, 1/3 1kts Batteries: (tested at 0 kts, submerged at periscope depth, and a fully charged battery) @ ahead flank (7kts) - Battery lasts 2 hours and 40 minutes until battery discharged warning @ ahead std (5kts) - Battery lasts 3 hours and 20 minutes until battery discharged warning @ ahead 1/3 (1kt) - Battery lasts 22 hours and 50 minutes until battery discharged warning - Stock battery lasts 55 hours to 60 hours until you get the battery discharged warning Battery Charging: Stock battery recharge time to fully recharge from the 10% charge warning or the battery discharged warning for s-boats was a ridiculously long 55-60 hours, with this mod it takes only 1 hour 15 minutes. I feel that the recharge times are now too short to be realistic but it was necessary to set it there so that other things related to battery life would work properly. __________________ On the top of the world

01-04-12, 07:21 PM	#15
pabbi Subsim Overlord Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: On the top of the world Posts: 215 Downloads: 454 Uploads: 0	I was going to fire up the game and do some test divings but no anim.act is missing you will have to reinstall the program. Damn, well of to reinstall the game. __________________ On the top of the world