Year 1941, Jan.

Sailor Steve · 12-31-11, 06:47 PM

Sorry, my mistake. Got it now. How were they "categorized" neutral? Green on the map? They shouldn't have been. How do they show up in your log?

PappyCain · 12-31-11, 06:55 PM

Red on map - but neutral on log! about 12 vessels in all on 2 patrols. I started another patrol with a different boat and went to the same area and again red on map, neutral on log. Using SH3 Commander of course.

Historically I wondered if being on the sublittoral coast line of a neutral nation (Spain) she had some legal international "protection" I was unaware of?

Sailor Steve · 12-31-11, 07:13 PM

How very odd. I'm at a loss.

PappyCain · 12-31-11, 08:25 PM

Historically I wondered if being on the sublittoral coast line of a neutral nation (Spain) she had some legal international "protection" I was unaware of?

Sailor Steve · 12-31-11, 08:28 PM

I don't think the game is that sophisticated.

Gargamel · 12-31-11, 08:45 PM

I know ships interred in neutral ports were supposed to be off limits, but underway along the coasts, I would assume, would be fair game.

PappyCain · 12-31-11, 09:44 PM

I guess I will research this angle a bit historically and if anyone knows please jump in.

Coding a band around a neutral country would be easy enough, or you can try the same coordinates I frequent to see what your claims are recorded as a neutral ship after you sank her flying a Brit flag.

I often have gone into Cadiz for top up on food, toilet paper, fuel and torps and being neutral know it is a safe zone (coded) and would expect a Brit or other combative had the same courtesy.

I would also wonder - yes wonder, if the coast line had a similar safe limit under international law but only a coder could say for sure if applied to the sim! and historically there should be something written online or in a book.

There is a reason why the sim is calling my Brit merchant claims as 'neutral ships' - clearly I catch them near the neutral Spanish and Portuguese coastline ..

BTW - there is a tremendous amount of politics in the Spanish regime and while they winked at the Germans for port access, they vehemtly denied any ground forces to penetrate... hence my historical questioning on international verses coastal waters ...

12-31-11, 06:47 PM	#1
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Sorry, my mistake. Got it now. How were they "categorized" neutral? Green on the map? They shouldn't have been. How do they show up in your log? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-31-11, 06:55 PM	#2
PappyCain Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: on the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 559 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Red on map - but neutral on log! about 12 vessels in all on 2 patrols. I started another patrol with a different boat and went to the same area and again red on map, neutral on log. Using SH3 Commander of course. Historically I wondered if being on the sublittoral coast line of a neutral nation (Spain) she had some legal international "protection" I was unaware of? __________________ DID, no cheats, no shortcuts, no non-historic equipment deviations. Boat and crew safety is integral with my immersion style! Follow the historic events during your patrol: http://www.uboat.net/today.html

12-31-11, 07:13 PM	#3
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	How very odd. I'm at a loss. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-31-11, 08:25 PM	#4
PappyCain Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: on the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 559 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Historically I wondered if being on the sublittoral coast line of a neutral nation (Spain) she had some legal international "protection" I was unaware of? __________________ DID, no cheats, no shortcuts, no non-historic equipment deviations. Boat and crew safety is integral with my immersion style! Follow the historic events during your patrol: http://www.uboat.net/today.html

12-31-11, 08:28 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I don't think the game is that sophisticated. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-31-11, 08:45 PM	#6
Gargamel Lucky Sailor Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Rome Posts: 4,273 Downloads: 81 Uploads: 0	I know ships interred in neutral ports were supposed to be off limits, but underway along the coasts, I would assume, would be fair game. __________________ Luck is a residue of Design.

12-31-11, 09:44 PM	#7
PappyCain Samurai Navy Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: on the Atlantic Ocean Posts: 559 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I guess I will research this angle a bit historically and if anyone knows please jump in. Coding a band around a neutral country would be easy enough, or you can try the same coordinates I frequent to see what your claims are recorded as a neutral ship after you sank her flying a Brit flag. I often have gone into Cadiz for top up on food, toilet paper, fuel and torps and being neutral know it is a safe zone (coded) and would expect a Brit or other combative had the same courtesy. I would also wonder - yes wonder, if the coast line had a similar safe limit under international law but only a coder could say for sure if applied to the sim! and historically there should be something written online or in a book. There is a reason why the sim is calling my Brit merchant claims as 'neutral ships' - clearly I catch them near the neutral Spanish and Portuguese coastline .. BTW - there is a tremendous amount of politics in the Spanish regime and while they winked at the Germans for port access, they vehemtly denied any ground forces to penetrate... hence my historical questioning on international verses coastal waters ... __________________ DID, no cheats, no shortcuts, no non-historic equipment deviations. Boat and crew safety is integral with my immersion style! Follow the historic events during your patrol: http://www.uboat.net/today.html Last edited by PappyCain; 12-31-11 at 10:01 PM.