A new and exciting update to the RUB Campaign files

Der Teddy Bar · 12-19-05, 08:19 PM

I quote... "One of the stupidest things in game design is the lack of uncertainty given to the player"

I am wishing to distribute a new and exciting update of the RUB Campaign files. I am unsure of who to ask 'permission' of, hense the very public post. As always, full credit for the original work and origine will be quite clearly stated.

The Campaign files have been modified so that the "its a merchant it must be going 5 or 7knots" and "its an escort it must be going 11 knots" are no longer.

As it is now, in the default game and the RUB modified game, even on manual TDC, it is simply a point N shoot situation. When getting into a firing position ahead of the vessel, it is a simple race ahead, submerge and wait ## minutes. No need to look as the vessel is always travelling at the same old speed.

NO LONGER! The chase has now got so much more exciting! As will be seen below, every ship and convoy in the game now has a random speed associated with every waypoint. There is no rhyme or reason to the speeds, they are trully random based on the ships original speed.

You will need to continually monitor your prey, constantly re-checking its speed. Not sure of its speed? Better use a spread of torpedos as a real Captain would have been forced to!

No longer will there be the boaring same old same old when attacking a ship.

Imagine... you plot the convoys course and speed and see that you might just make it if it doesn't maintain its current speed. Do you risk the chase on the off chance that the convoy will slow down? Taking the plunge you arriving at where the convoy should be and not finding it... do you head back home or maybe wait as the convoy is yet to arrive?

A sample of the filesâ€¦ each speed listed is for each new waypoint

[RndGroup 974.RndUnit 1]
Type=102
Origin=British
Side=1
CargoExt=2
CargoInt=0
CfgDate=19390101

Speed=5.0000
Speed=4.0000
Speed=3.0000
Speed=3.0000
Speed=7.0000
Speed=5.0000
Speed=7.0000
Speed=6.0000
Speed=6.0000
Speed=7.0000
Speed=7.0000
Speed=7.0000
Speed=3.0000
Speed=5.0000
Speed=6.0000

and...
[RndGroup 975]
GroupName=CarribeanSea_42_003

Speed=9.000000
Speed=11.0000
Speed=10.0000
Speed=8.0000
Speed=10.0000
Speed=10.0000
Speed=11.0000
Speed=11.0000
Speed=9.0000
Speed=11.0000
Speed=10.0000
Speed=8.0000
Speed=9.0000
Speed=10.0000
Speed=7.0000
Speed=10.0000
Speed=7.0000
Speed=7.0000
Speed=10.0000
Speed=8.0000
Speed=8.0000
Speed=7.0000
Speed=8.0000
Speed=9.0000
Speed=9.0000
Speed=7.0000
Speed=11.0000
Speed=10.0000

and...
[Unit 283]
Name=BR DD C Class#10
Class=DDCClass

Speed=13.000000
Speed=17.0000
Speed=11.0000
Speed=11.0000
Speed=17.0000
Speed=13.0000
Speed=15.0000

[RndGroup 61]
GroupName=HX39Convoy

Speed=8.000000
Speed=9.0000
Speed=7.0000
Speed=10.0000
Speed=9.0000
Speed=6.0000
Speed=6.0000
Speed=10.0000
Speed=8.0000
Speed=7.0000
Speed=9.0000
Speed=9.0000
Speed=6.0000
Speed=7.0000
Speed=6.0000
Speed=8.0000
Speed=6.0000
Speed=9.0000
Speed=7.0000
Speed=6.0000
Speed=8.0000
Speed=8.0000
Speed=6.0000
Speed=8.0000
Speed=10.0000
Speed=9.0000
Speed=6.0000
Speed=9.0000
Speed=10.0000
Speed=6.0000
Speed=9.0000
Speed=6.0000
Speed=9.0000
Speed=8.0000
Speed=6.0000
Speed=6.0000
Speed=10.0000

Coolhand01 · 12-19-05, 08:48 PM

Dam* der Teddy Bar...With this and the Mega Mod your working on people will have to start thinking instead of being Herr Donitz's robot Kapitans...

...CH

CCIP · 12-19-05, 08:57 PM

Teddy,

Just curious, are you using the Improved Convoys file (as in RUb)? It would be rather disappointing to have this implemented without the improvements of that - since it was exactly the main part left to improve after I zig-zagged the convoy routes.

Der Teddy Bar · 12-19-05, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCIP

Teddy,

Just curious, are you using the Improved Convoys file (as in RUb)? It would be rather disappointing to have this implemented without the improvements of that - since it was exactly the main part left to improve after I zig-zagged the convoy routes.

The variable speed files are base upon the RUB 1.45 campaign files.

If no one has any issues I will put these files up for distribution today. I have not yet done so as I wish to ensure that there will be no issues. I hope that this will be seen as an improvemnt to the game and not 'taking' someone elses work, as all credit and recognition will go to the original authors who worked on the campaign files.

Your convoy Zig-Zag and random waypoints was a classy piece of modding

Hudsonhawk · 12-19-05, 09:10 PM

Please...DO!!!!!!!

CCIP · 12-19-05, 09:26 PM

Excellent! Thank you!

That's definitely great; I've been thinking of refreshing the Ops/IC files (that are in RUb) myself, but I've never got a handle on editing the campaign via text (yet). This is a huge improvement, and I've been asking Jason to do that after I zig-zagged the convoys, but he'd dropped out of modding since.
I hope it wasn't as much of a pain in the butt as zig-zagging. (that was all done by hand

)

Will get them as soon as they're out!

12-19-05, 10:00 PM

But what will become of the convoys? Won't this mess them all up since one ship might decide to travel at 4 knots and another at 11 knots? Seems like a great mod for single ships but I am a bit worried about the convoys. Someone please test this out and report your findings ASAP! Thanks!

Der Teddy Bar · 12-19-05, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SubSerpent

But what will become of the convoys? Won't this mess them all up since one ship might decide to travel at 4 knots and another at 11 knots?

Not sure how you come about that

Convoy speeds are specified for the entire convoy and not per ship

CCIP · 12-19-05, 10:30 PM

Yes, you don't have to worry - as long as the ship is capable of doing that speed, it will keep up.

Speaking of which - I think all of them are capable of doing 11 (in terms of engine power etc.), but a couple were set to a max of 9 in their config files. Have you corrected this?

Der Teddy Bar · 12-19-05, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCIP

Yes, you don't have to worry - as long as the ship is capable of doing that speed, it will keep up.

Speaking of which - I think all of them are capable of doing 11 (in terms of engine power etc.), but a couple were set to a max of 9 in their config files. Have you corrected this?

In my early testing I made a single mission and edited the file, setting the speed for a 9 knot ships to 25 and 35 knots for several of the waypoints. All that occured was that the ship went at 11 knots at those waypoints and back to 5 at the other waypoints and then back up again as it was on a loop.

Observer · 12-19-05, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCIP

Yes, you don't have to worry - as long as the ship is capable of doing that speed, it will keep up.

Speaking of which - I think all of them are capable of doing 11 (in terms of engine power etc.), but a couple were set to a max of 9 in their config files. Have you corrected this?

Nope. The small (NKSs_) and coastal (NKSQ_) need to be adjusted up to 11 kts.

Der Teddy Bar · 12-25-05, 11:11 PM

Having played the modified campaign files now for a few days while testing the morale and damage mods I have to say that the changes made have greatly increased my participation in the game as I now longer can point N shoot. Now when I shoot I have a level of anxiety regarding if the torpedo will strike home and increased elation when it does.

I actually missed from 700 metres yesterday. Not to skite, but I have a 100% hit rate with the default SHIII campaign speeds. I have also noticed that I am now rarely pinpoint accurate with the exact location that the torpedo strikes.

I have never been so excited to miss :rotfl:

baxter · 12-26-05, 02:13 PM

That sounds great...that's just the kind of change I've wanted. When will this mod become available?

Type941 · 12-26-05, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Der Teddy Bar

As will be seen below, every ship and convoy in the game now has a random speed associated with every waypoint.

I like the idea. I have a tiny question - do the traditional, historic convoy routes dissapear? I mean the ships did travel certain routes through the atlantic, and it was probably based on number of factors - the weather, the air protection, the shortest time, the fuel required, etc, etc. That surely did put some certainty. If by this mod the ships are gonna be just zigzagging in the atlantic back and forth not really going anywhere, that can be a problem. I should really be able to follow the ship home if i can.

Does this tweak simple changes the speed and some course within an already assigned "global route" or is it making it totally random which means there's absolutely no certainty left?

Marhkimov · 12-26-05, 04:25 PM

The convoy routes have already been set by IC mod. This new mod only adds random speed changes along the pre-determined routes.

(disclaimer) I think...

12-19-05, 08:57 PM	#3
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Teddy, Just curious, are you using the Improved Convoys file (as in RUb)? It would be rather disappointing to have this implemented without the improvements of that - since it was exactly the main part left to improve after I zig-zagged the convoy routes. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

12-19-05, 09:10 PM	#5
Hudsonhawk Electrician's Mate Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Staten Island,New York Posts: 133 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Please...DO!!!!!!! __________________

12-19-05, 09:26 PM	#6
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Excellent! Thank you! That's definitely great; I've been thinking of refreshing the Ops/IC files (that are in RUb) myself, but I've never got a handle on editing the campaign via text (yet). This is a huge improvement, and I've been asking Jason to do that after I zig-zagged the convoys, but he'd dropped out of modding since. I hope it wasn't as much of a pain in the butt as zig-zagging. (that was all done by hand ) Will get them as soon as they're out! __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

12-19-05, 10:30 PM	#9
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	Yes, you don't have to worry - as long as the ship is capable of doing that speed, it will keep up. Speaking of which - I think all of them are capable of doing 11 (in terms of engine power etc.), but a couple were set to a max of 9 in their config files. Have you corrected this? __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

12-26-05, 04:25 PM	#15
Marhkimov Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bay Area, California, USA Posts: 2,377 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The convoy routes have already been set by IC mod. This new mod only adds random speed changes along the pre-determined routes. (disclaimer) I think... __________________ It takes two to tango

12-19-05, 08:19 PM	#1
Der Teddy Bar Blade Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,388 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	A new and exciting update to the RUB Campaign files I quote... "One of the stupidest things in game design is the lack of uncertainty given to the player" I am wishing to distribute a new and exciting update of the RUB Campaign files. I am unsure of who to ask 'permission' of, hense the very public post. As always, full credit for the original work and origine will be quite clearly stated. The Campaign files have been modified so that the "its a merchant it must be going 5 or 7knots" and "its an escort it must be going 11 knots" are no longer. As it is now, in the default game and the RUB modified game, even on manual TDC, it is simply a point N shoot situation. When getting into a firing position ahead of the vessel, it is a simple race ahead, submerge and wait ## minutes. No need to look as the vessel is always travelling at the same old speed. NO LONGER! The chase has now got so much more exciting! As will be seen below, every ship and convoy in the game now has a random speed associated with every waypoint. There is no rhyme or reason to the speeds, they are trully random based on the ships original speed. You will need to continually monitor your prey, constantly re-checking its speed. Not sure of its speed? Better use a spread of torpedos as a real Captain would have been forced to! No longer will there be the boaring same old same old when attacking a ship. Imagine... you plot the convoys course and speed and see that you might just make it if it doesn't maintain its current speed. Do you risk the chase on the off chance that the convoy will slow down? Taking the plunge you arriving at where the convoy should be and not finding it... do you head back home or maybe wait as the convoy is yet to arrive? A sample of the filesâ€¦ each speed listed is for each new waypoint [RndGroup 974.RndUnit 1] Type=102 Origin=British Side=1 CargoExt=2 CargoInt=0 CfgDate=19390101 Speed=5.0000 Speed=4.0000 Speed=3.0000 Speed=3.0000 Speed=7.0000 Speed=5.0000 Speed=7.0000 Speed=6.0000 Speed=6.0000 Speed=7.0000 Speed=7.0000 Speed=7.0000 Speed=3.0000 Speed=5.0000 Speed=6.0000 and... [RndGroup 975] GroupName=CarribeanSea_42_003 Speed=9.000000 Speed=11.0000 Speed=10.0000 Speed=8.0000 Speed=10.0000 Speed=10.0000 Speed=11.0000 Speed=11.0000 Speed=9.0000 Speed=11.0000 Speed=10.0000 Speed=8.0000 Speed=9.0000 Speed=10.0000 Speed=7.0000 Speed=10.0000 Speed=7.0000 Speed=7.0000 Speed=10.0000 Speed=8.0000 Speed=8.0000 Speed=7.0000 Speed=8.0000 Speed=9.0000 Speed=9.0000 Speed=7.0000 Speed=11.0000 Speed=10.0000 and... [Unit 283] Name=BR DD C Class#10 Class=DDCClass Speed=13.000000 Speed=17.0000 Speed=11.0000 Speed=11.0000 Speed=17.0000 Speed=13.0000 Speed=15.0000 [RndGroup 61] GroupName=HX39Convoy Speed=8.000000 Speed=9.0000 Speed=7.0000 Speed=10.0000 Speed=9.0000 Speed=6.0000 Speed=6.0000 Speed=10.0000 Speed=8.0000 Speed=7.0000 Speed=9.0000 Speed=9.0000 Speed=6.0000 Speed=7.0000 Speed=6.0000 Speed=8.0000 Speed=6.0000 Speed=9.0000 Speed=7.0000 Speed=6.0000 Speed=8.0000 Speed=8.0000 Speed=6.0000 Speed=8.0000 Speed=10.0000 Speed=9.0000 Speed=6.0000 Speed=9.0000 Speed=10.0000 Speed=6.0000 Speed=9.0000 Speed=6.0000 Speed=9.0000 Speed=8.0000 Speed=6.0000 Speed=6.0000 Speed=10.0000

12-19-05, 08:48 PM	#2
Coolhand01 Soundman Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Forsan, Tx. Posts: 143 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Dam* der Teddy Bar...With this and the Mega Mod your working on people will have to start thinking instead of being Herr Donitz's robot Kapitans... ...CH

12-19-05, 10:00 PM	#7
SubSerpent Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	But what will become of the convoys? Won't this mess them all up since one ship might decide to travel at 4 knots and another at 11 knots? Seems like a great mod for single ships but I am a bit worried about the convoys. Someone please test this out and report your findings ASAP! Thanks!

12-25-05, 11:11 PM	#12
Der Teddy Bar Blade Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,388 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Having played the modified campaign files now for a few days while testing the morale and damage mods I have to say that the changes made have greatly increased my participation in the game as I now longer can point N shoot. Now when I shoot I have a level of anxiety regarding if the torpedo will strike home and increased elation when it does. I actually missed from 700 metres yesterday. Not to skite, but I have a 100% hit rate with the default SHIII campaign speeds. I have also noticed that I am now rarely pinpoint accurate with the exact location that the torpedo strikes. I have never been so excited to miss :rotfl:

12-26-05, 02:13 PM	#13
baxter 中国水兵 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New York Posts: 282 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	That sounds great...that's just the kind of change I've wanted. When will this mod become available?