Is Obama Toast? Handicapping the 2012 Election

Sailor Steve · 12-21-11, 07:51 PM

I'm sure Mark Twain would tell us that anything can be forgiven if it's funny enough.

1480 · 12-22-11, 12:13 AM

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I'm sure Mark Twain would tell us that anything can be forgiven if it's funny enough.

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It is a solemn thought: dead, the noblest man's meat is inferior to pork.

You are correct once again....tip of the cap to the man who shows age is only a number

CaptainHaplo · 12-22-11, 12:13 PM

This is going to be a close election for the nation's highest office, but Obama loses under most scenarios. However, congressionally the left is going to get clobbered. If Obama wins, he will have be facing right controlled congress in BOTH houses - though not a veto proof one.

This has a LOT to do with the coming election - because people are already tired of hearing that its the fault of one side or the other. Gridlock will again happen - and the citizenry is tired of it.

There also is the issue of the Supreme Court taking up the AHCA - which could - at a late stage - cut the legs out of the president. Even if it is kept, the ire of the voter will raise because the majority of voters do not agree with the plan.

The only way he wins is if a third runner pops into the mix as an independant - or something really goofy like Paul, Huntsman, Santorum or Bachman wins. Romney or Gingrich would beat Obama head to head - though an independant runner would help Obama immensely and save his job.

Bubblehead1980 · 12-22-11, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

This is going to be a close election for the nation's highest office, but Obama loses under most scenarios. However, congressionally the left is going to get clobbered. If Obama wins, he will have be facing right controlled congress in BOTH houses - though not a veto proof one.

This has a LOT to do with the coming election - because people are already tired of hearing that its the fault of one side or the other. Gridlock will again happen - and the citizenry is tired of it.

There also is the issue of the Supreme Court taking up the AHCA - which could - at a late stage - cut the legs out of the president. Even if it is kept, the ire of the voter will raise because the majority of voters do not agree with the plan.

The only way he wins is if a third runner pops into the mix as an independant - or something really goofy like Paul, Huntsman, Santorum or Bachman wins. Romney or Gingrich would beat Obama head to head - though an independant runner would help Obama immensely and save his job.

you're mostly right but Paul could beat Obama, multiple(but little talked about on the news networks) polls have shown Paul could beat Obama in a general election.Why? Independents...that's why.

12-22-11, 04:03 PM

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you're mostly right but Paul could beat Obama, multiple(but little talked about on the news networks) polls have shown Paul could beat Obama in a general election.Why? Independents...that's why.

Sounds like an echo of what you were saying about Cain.

CaptainHaplo · 12-22-11, 06:09 PM

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you're mostly right but Paul could beat Obama, multiple(but little talked about on the news networks) polls have shown Paul could beat Obama in a general election.Why? Independents...that's why.

Paul can NOT beat Obama - between foreign policy and his past of running a blatently racist periodical - no way he is viable.

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Got a citation for this? A lot of people talk about it, but I have not seen too many poll results that show that the majority of voters are against it.

Platapus - try here: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ealth_care_law

mookiemookie · 12-22-11, 08:58 PM

I'd vote Paul over Obama every day of the week. Shame that the right wing smear machine is trying to bury the only true conservative out there.

Platapus · 12-22-11, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Platapus - try here: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ealth_care_law

That's some pretty consistent data.

Thanks for the link

12-23-11, 04:23 AM

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That's some pretty consistent data.

However you would need a breakown of those who oppose the bill because it went too far and those who oppose the bill because it was too much of a compromise, as one consistant complaint is that it doesn't achieve what it was set out to achieve.

gammaphialpha · 12-23-11, 10:45 AM

obama is not even qualified to run under his own cosponsored house bill re mccain. his father was british. he is not natural born as he has dual allegiance, not allowed. why is NO ONE BRINGING THIS UP???? HE CAN'T RUN! A FRAUD FROM THE WORD GO.

Sailor Steve · 12-23-11, 10:48 AM

Let's see...you can argue about the birth certificate some more if you like, but until you prove otherwise the fact that he was born in Hawaii of an Amercan mother does indeed make him a natural-born citizen.

August · 12-23-11, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by gammaphialpha

obama is not even qualified to run under his own cosponsored house bill re mccain. his father was british. he is not natural born as he has dual allegiance, not allowed. why is NO ONE BRINGING THIS UP???? HE CAN'T RUN! A FRAUD FROM THE WORD GO.

What Steve said.

Now if you don't like it and want to do something about it then you have two choices. A. Prove (and I mean really prove not just imply) your claims.

or

B.Start a successful revolution and then you don't have to worry about such legal niceties.

Platapus · 12-23-11, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by gammaphialpha

obama is not even qualified to run under his own cosponsored house bill re mccain. his father was british. he is not natural born as he has dual allegiance, not allowed. why is NO ONE BRINGING THIS UP???? HE CAN'T RUN! A FRAUD FROM THE WORD GO.

Thank god we have people like you around.

1. To imagine that the Illinois Board of Elections missed this in 1997 when Obama ran for State House.

And they missed this in 2005 when Obama ran for Senator

And they missed this in 2008 when Obama ran for POTUS.

All the reviews made by state and federal election officers. All the research done by opposing candidates just looking for something to prevent Obama from running... every one missed it. But you know the "real" truth.

So, I assume you have written to the Illinois Board of Elections, with your evidence, and lodged a complaint right? I mean you clearly have evidence right?

2. Or perhaps, just perhaps you don't really understand what you are talking about?

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he is not natural born as he has dual allegiance,...

I am leaning more to the second explanation.

Platapus · 12-22-11, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

There also is the issue of the Supreme Court taking up the AHCA - which could - at a late stage - cut the legs out of the president. Even if it is kept, the ire of the voter will raise because the majority of voters do not agree with the plan.

Got a citation for this? A lot of people talk about it, but I have not seen too many poll results that show that the majority of voters are against it.

But then I don't look at every poll out there.

12-21-11, 07:51 PM	#1
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I'm sure Mark Twain would tell us that anything can be forgiven if it's funny enough. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-22-11, 12:13 PM	#3
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	This is going to be a close election for the nation's highest office, but Obama loses under most scenarios. However, congressionally the left is going to get clobbered. If Obama wins, he will have be facing right controlled congress in BOTH houses - though not a veto proof one. This has a LOT to do with the coming election - because people are already tired of hearing that its the fault of one side or the other. Gridlock will again happen - and the citizenry is tired of it. There also is the issue of the Supreme Court taking up the AHCA - which could - at a late stage - cut the legs out of the president. Even if it is kept, the ire of the voter will raise because the majority of voters do not agree with the plan. The only way he wins is if a third runner pops into the mix as an independant - or something really goofy like Paul, Huntsman, Santorum or Bachman wins. Romney or Gingrich would beat Obama head to head - though an independant runner would help Obama immensely and save his job. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

12-22-11, 08:58 PM	#7
mookiemookie Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 9,404 Downloads: 105 Uploads: 1	I'd vote Paul over Obama every day of the week. Shame that the right wing smear machine is trying to bury the only true conservative out there. __________________ They don’t think it be like it is, but it do. Want more U-boat Kaleun portraits for your SH3 Commander Profiles? Download the SH3 Commander Portrait Pack here.

12-23-11, 10:48 AM	#11
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Let's see...you can argue about the birth certificate some more if you like, but until you prove otherwise the fact that he was born in Hawaii of an Amercan mother does indeed make him a natural-born citizen. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

12-23-11, 10:45 AM	#10
gammaphialpha Watch Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 25 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	obama is not even qualified to run under his own cosponsored house bill re mccain. his father was british. he is not natural born as he has dual allegiance, not allowed. why is NO ONE BRINGING THIS UP???? HE CAN'T RUN! A FRAUD FROM THE WORD GO.