Wikileaks: Bradley Manning military hearing bias row

Platapus · 12-16-11, 07:15 PM

Is there any reasonable doubt of his guilt? Motivations aside, hasn't he already confessed to downloading the stuff and giving it away?

Takeda Shingen · 12-16-11, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Is there any reasonable doubt of his guilt? Motivations aside, hasn't he already confessed to downloading the stuff and giving it away?

Of course he is guilty, but he is still entitled to due process. Jim raises a valid point about the fairness of trial.

12-16-11, 08:25 PM

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Is there any reasonable doubt of his guilt?

But on which charges?
There certainly is a big pile of them of various natures.

Hottentot · 12-17-11, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

But on which charges?

Eeny, meeny, miny, moe,
Catch the guilty by the toe
If we can't figure it out we...let him go?
No, no, no, eeny, meeny, miny moe you are it!

TarJak · 12-17-11, 02:32 AM

I agree that fairness in this situation was always going to be tough. He signed up to NOT share the information he was able to access, and as already pointed out he's admitted that he has done it, so the real question will be how hard they throw the book at him.

CCIP · 12-17-11, 02:35 AM

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I agree that fairness in this situation was always going to be tough. He signed up to NOT share the information he was able to access, and as already pointed out he's admitted that he has done it, so the real question will be how hard they throw the book at him.

I think in many ways though, he's almost not even on trial. What's on trial is the government's ability to sue him effectively and come out looking like they've both enforced the law and weren't the villain of the story. And that will prove a lot more difficult than convicting this fish in a barrel.

In all this, of course, his lawyers will no doubt be looking for any opportunity to get him a softer term and having the government and military come out of this looking worse. Otherwise, we already know that the death penalty is not on the table, and that a lot of charges he's being considered for are going to be a long term by default. So whether or not he's going to be spending a large part of his life in jail is hardly a question anymore.

Catfish · 12-17-11, 04:51 AM

And maybe no one would have given a sh!t of how biased some jury would be, if that had happened under the Bush administration .. so is this "bias" against Obama ?

12-16-11, 07:15 PM	#1
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,362 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Is there any reasonable doubt of his guilt? Motivations aside, hasn't he already confessed to downloading the stuff and giving it away? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

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Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,766 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	And maybe no one would have given a sh!t of how biased some jury would be, if that had happened under the Bush administration .. so is this "bias" against Obama ? Last edited by Catfish; 12-17-11 at 07:17 AM.

12-17-11, 02:32 AM	#5
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	I agree that fairness in this situation was always going to be tough. He signed up to NOT share the information he was able to access, and as already pointed out he's admitted that he has done it, so the real question will be how hard they throw the book at him.