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Old 12-13-11, 01:45 PM   #1
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B.t.w. it is not this documentation alone, along with reconstructions there are a lot of german, danish and norvegian naval logbooks and very explicite opinions on that matter.
This action led to a political shift and a change of public opinion in Sweden against the Soviet Union, exactly as planned.
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"The secret war against sweden - us and british submarine deception in the 1980ies" from Tulander, also speaking in the vid:
http://books.google.de/books?id=cN-E...page&q&f=false

Page 4 from the middle, why Palme may have been a target - page 13 how the deception influenced and changed the perception of Sweden towards the russian "aggression".

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Old 12-13-11, 01:50 PM   #2
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Pretty inconclusive IMHO but it would have helped greatly if I understood the language.
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Old 12-13-11, 03:11 PM   #3
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So, which US sub was it? The only nuc boats lost were Thresher and Scorpion in the 60s. Both locations now well documented?

Keep in mind, I served in Sublant in the 80s. I had friends/classmates in every atlantic fleet submarine squadron. If a nuc boat went missing, I'd have heard. There is just no way to keep that kind of thing secret.
All diesel boats in commission at that time are accounted for as well.

What became of it? Is it still there with a bunch of dead american sailors?

Was a secret rescue operation mounted which slipped it out from under the nose of the swedish navy?

Also, it is very difficult to mistake a US sub of that era with a soviet boat. A simple description of what was seen would have laid that to rest. All US designs of the time had fairwater planes, and only the soviet Yankees and Deltas had them, neither of which would have been seen anywhere near the Swedish coast.

About the only demonstrable fact stated in the entire piece was that a Soviet deisel boat ran aground in the territorial waters of Sweden. The rest is hearsay, and fantasy.
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Old 12-13-11, 03:23 PM   #4
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So, which US sub was it? The only nuc boats lost were Thresher and Scorpion in the 60s. Both locations now well documented?

Keep in mind, I served in Sublant in the 80s. I had friends/classmates in every atlantic fleet submarine squadron. If a nuc boat went missing, I'd have heard. There is just no way to keep that kind of thing secret.
All diesel boats in commission at that time are accounted for as well.

What became of it? Is it still there with a bunch of dead american sailors?

Was a secret rescue operation mounted which slipped it out from under the nose of the swedish navy?

Also, it is very difficult to mistake a US sub of that era with a soviet boat. A simple description of what was seen would have laid that to rest. All US designs of the time had fairwater planes, and only the soviet Yankees and Deltas had them, neither of which would have been seen anywhere near the Swedish coast.

About the only demonstrable fact stated in the entire piece was that a Soviet deisel boat ran aground in the territorial waters of Sweden. The rest is hearsay, and fantasy.
Agreed
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