Torpedo Options

Very interesting link, thanks a lot

[desirableroasted]

Originally Posted by Gargamel

There are also theories on using magnetics in calm weather in near 90' AOB. DR and I have had some good discussions on it. It all depends on the size o the boat, the speed of the eel and the difference in deIpth

And I have slowly come around to your view that magnetics work at about AOB 90, though your torpedo should be set to the slowest speed. And they do seem to cause the most damage at a much narrower angle. Difference in depth, though seems to be the most significant factor.

One thing players often forget is that all magnetics are ALSO impacts. By making the switch to impact, you take away (I am told) the dice roll that might lead your mag-set torpedo to prematurely explode. You also can do it a second before you launch, which is obviously not right.

I am sure some of the historians can offer advice here. For now, I set all tubes to magnetic, since I can use them either way, and take my chances on the prematures.

[Gargamel]

I Have found on a couple occasions that having the eels run too fast and too deep caused them to detonate on the far side of the target, which did result in confusing the merchants in the convoy. Upon the detonations, they started searching with their search lights in the opposite direction. I'm not sure if the escorts werre confused or not, but they did not jump on me right away. Then again, it was probably early war and they may not have found me any ways.

But to be honest, it is not a tactic I recommend, as the risk of missing completely is too high, and the reduced damage from such an hit doesnt seem to be worth it. Perhaps if one were to be able to land a few crippling shots on some big targets and have them drop out of formation, and the misdirection allows for easier evasion and subsequent reload, then it may be worth it, but that's still a lot of if's.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

It's too bad the real kaleuns didn't have that option. There was no switch that let you select one or the other, or at least not until 1944. Disabling the magnetic pistol required removing it from the torpedo, a process that took at least an hour. Once the order was given in 1940 to remove them they were all removed, and not replaced until the new version came out late in 1943.

I must notice Sailor Steve spoke a nonsence on this topic If you ever read the document yourself Mister, you should know that in page 51 there is following text:

Back in Germany, the TI had in the meantime been working on a way to alter the torpedo
pistol so that it might be set for either AZ or MZ detonation. By the end of September, it had
come up with such a device, which was known as Schalterstellung A (Switch Setting A). The
introduction of the device to the fleet on October 2 came just in time, as it now made it possible
to carry out Dönitz***8217; previous orders that all boats were to fire using only the AZ setting. A new
directive to this effect was issued to the fleet.69 The downside to this order, however, was that
although it theoretically gave the German U-boats a way to switch to a more reliable detonation,
the resultant AZ induced explosion lacked the sheer destructive power of the MZ type. Hence
the Schalterstellung A was never considered by anyone to be a permanent fix to the torpedo
problem, but rather a temporary emergency measure to buy the TI some time in which to perfect
the MZ type, which had always been envisioned by the Marineleitung as being the primary
detonator system for the U-boat. In any event, from October 2 onwards boats equipped with

pistols using the Schalterstellung A option were to use only the AZ option until further notice.

So literrraly speaking this was very short period of time - The first MONTH of the war during which U-boats could not switch pistols AZ-MZ and vice versa

However I must admit I would never realized the mass of malfunctioned torpedoes Kriegsmarine had especially with MZ pistol without this document.

Perhaps H.sie was right while introducing his torpedo fix. On the other hand I never trust MZ pistol in early war anyway.

After reading it all I might reconsider using that fix.

[Sailor Steve]

Fair enough. I missed that part, and I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong.

On the other hand, there is no need for this kind of rudeness:

Originally Posted by PapaKilo

I must notice Sailor Steve spoke a nonsence on this topic If you ever read the document yourself Mister, you should know that in page 51 there is following text:

Attack ? Are you on nervous exhaustion ? Nonsence is nonsence, that's all.

So just to let you know.
Even if I tried, I couldn't care less how you take it

[Sailor Steve]

I made a mistake. I admitted it. Exactly how is a mistake nonsense? You started in on me in your first post, being rude rather than polite. Your dismissive use of the phrase "if you ever read the document yourself mister" is a prime example of the way you do these things. How I take it is irrelevant. It was this kind of behaviour that got you brigged last time.

Please act like a gentleman with respect to other members on this board.

[makman94]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

.....with respect to other members on this board.

See Steve?
rudeness is very annoying thing when happening ,no matter who has the right or not.

[Sailor Steve]

I'm well aware of that, and, as I told you privately, I try to stay on top of it.

On that subject, the person you were upset about has buried the hatchet and is playing nicely now. He also admitted that much of it was his fault, so things are better on that frontier.

[makman94]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

....I try to stay on top of it.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I made a mistake. I admitted it. Exactly how is a mistake nonsense? You started in on me in your first post, being rude rather than polite. Your dismissive use of the phrase "if you ever read the document yourself mister" is a prime example of the way you do these things. How I take it is irrelevant. It was this kind of behaviour that got you brigged last time.

Please act like a gentleman with respect to other members on this board.

You admitted it because you had no other option. Frankly speaking I think you didin't even read it all aren't you ? =]

But no you just can't backdown peacefully even when you are wrong, without escalating things to outside matters!


Those following gripes of yours I take as insignifical attempt to draw attention to yourself as being a poor victim of my rudiness or impoliteness ? Just because I put your statement into nonsense ?
Oh man, can all of this stuff you take everywhere with you be more childish ? Knowing your age, your acting makes fun of you realy

[LGN1]

Hi,

IIRC, the pistol could not be changed when the torpedo was inside the tube. In this respect SH3 is wrong.

BTW, PapaKilo, some time ago I posted a link to the document in h.sie's thread and asked you to read it

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...postcount=2567

Maybe you should have read it back then before attacking h.sie's work.

Cheers, LGN1

Originally Posted by LGN1

Hi,

IIRC, the pistol could not be changed when the torpedo was inside the tube. In this respect SH3 is wrong.

BTW, PapaKilo, some time ago I posted a link to the document in h.sie's thread and asked you to read it

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...postcount=2567

Maybe you should have read it back then before attacking h.sie's work.

Cheers, LGN1

IIRC the argue was about how many duds in total % Kriegsmarine had, and how should this number be divided to every uboat. You and H.sie stated it was around 30 % of all torps that malfunctioned, I stated it was 50 % according to documentary source I gave a name of. Nevertheless I never was into such close readings about torpedo malfunctions as I am now.

IIRC you gave me the link to german languaged document that I don't understand ?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by PapaKilo

You admitted it because you had no other option. Frankly speaking I think you didin't even read it all aren't you ? =]

But no you just can't backdown peacefully even when you are wrong, without escalating things to outside matters!


Those following gripes of yours I take as insignifical attempt to draw attention to yourself as being a poor victim of my rudiness or impoliteness ? Just because I put your statement into nonsense ?
Oh man, can all of this stuff you take everywhere with you be more childish ? Knowing your age, your acting makes fun of you realy

Can we steer away from the realm of insults toward community members please?

I'm in no way taking sides but let us agree to disagree without resorting to name calling and innuendo.

TIA