Eurozone deal reached without UK

STEED · 12-09-11, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Look at the picture...I'd say Cameron is contemplating head butting Sarkozy

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

If he did that then I think even BossMark and STEED would become fans

He should head butt Sarkozy and Merkel.

Oberon · 12-09-11, 01:31 PM

Very well, alone.

Hakahura · 12-09-11, 01:52 PM

Well done Dave!

About time too.

MH · 12-09-11, 01:55 PM

The Game is Up, The EURO is Finished! Nigel Farage Speaks Out

BossMark · 12-09-11, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

If he did that then I think even BossMark and STEED would become fans

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Originally Posted by STEED

He should head butt Sarkozy and Merkel.

Yeah take them both down. But as much as I hate Cameron and his Tory party, I have got say "well done" to him.

soopaman2 · 12-09-11, 04:37 PM

Good job Britain, European union was a disaster for the common people.

If you don't think someone(s) got rich from this worldwide finanacial crisis then you are daft, ignorant, or living under a rock.

Let the whole thing fall, the whole house of cards.

Then we can start over, with proper laws in place to protect people from financial wizards (predators).
Sure it will hurt, but alot of folks are already hurt by this, time for everyone to share in the burden, not just the super poor, and the lower middle class. Who has bore the brunt of this for the last 5 years.

Capitalism is broken, not the system, but the people who are meant to protect us from the extremes of it.

Rockstar · 12-09-11, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by soopaman2

.. but the people who are meant to protect us from the extremes of it.

what you just said regardless of the system is the problem.

soopaman2 · 12-09-11, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

what you just said regardless of the system is the problem.

Jimbuna · 12-09-11, 05:27 PM

Well , the outcome has done nothing for Italy and Spain because their loan interest rates went up again today

Skybird · 12-09-11, 05:34 PM

One needs to see one thing also. Cameron was not exclusively about the new treaties. He wanted special rights and exceptions for the British stockmarket. He wanted not only to prevent future regulations for the London, and wanted not only to prevent future financial transaction taxes for London - but as being reported in German media, he also demanded that existing rules should be reversed and that London should be given special veto powers and exceptions from rules Britain already had agreed to, regarding the set called Basel-III, and slightly tighter regulation of financial transaction.

German paper Die Welt also said that he made a very arrogant and snippy appearance, pissing all the 26 others also on a personal level, due to the way in which he met the others.

British exports go to close to 50% into the EU. It has now nothing to say and decide anymore in economical issues that are of vital interest for it. And like it or not, any worsening of the Euro crisis will backfire on London as well - the pound is no autark currency, and the British economy is far from being in a shape to be supportive of any isolationistic policy.

Take from this what you want, like the outcome of the summit or not - it are simply facts that also will make their weight felt. Even more so if - what so far I do not expect - the German indeed will prevent forever anything that wpould equal the function of Eurobonds, and will indeed successfully prevent the ECB or the ESM from gaining the legal status of a bank's licence to form fictional virtual value by measures of its own. If so and the stability policy indeed would become dominant, London as a financial hotspot would be suffering in the long run, loosing in importance. Loosing deals. Loosing taxes adding to the British national GDP.

I honestly do not know wether to applaud Britain, or to cry for it.

Certain is this: they talk of a new treaty and new rules that should secure a culture of financial stability and debt discipline in the future. For some strange reason, nobody talks anymore about that we already have such a treaty and such deficit rules in place, and that just almost everybody is violating it, including Germany and France. It is the treaty of Maastricht and the socalled stability pact. When that treaty has been violated so massively until now, and so many other EU rules been violated or ignored as well - why does anybody seriously believe that just another treaty will not be violated, bypassed, ignored as well when it is seen as opportunistic - even more when Germany to a greater degree then already now will guarantee and stand up for thge losses created by doing so, and an anchoring in the de-factor EU-constitution of Lisbon has been prevented by a EU president and EU commission fearing it's status getting reduced?

For the British, I may not know what to think of the summit. But for Germany, I already know. It is pretty much the mess I feared, hidden under a thick coat of sugary words and shining glitter. The "markets", they of course have hoped to make more short-term profit by installking the socalled "bazooka": payed by the taxpapyer, installed at the price of even more debts, and benefitting some profiteers at the top who already are fat and want to become fatter at the cost of the communal interest. Their heistent, or negazive reaction today can be taken as a logical coinseqeunce for the dissappointed greed. But maybe one could also take it as a sign that they tend to agree with my assessement, though. Dissapointed greed, and sense of realism - must not always be mutually exclusive.

The operetta goes on. The orchestra doesn't find the right tones, the singers yell out of tune, and the choir knows no choreography but smiles as wide like Sun Shine herself.

But the room nevertheless applauds.

soopaman2 · 12-09-11, 05:50 PM

Skybird.

It is simply proof that the EU is doomed to fail.

It was as noble an idea as Communism. Until mortal men realized how wealthy they can get.

As with all things, with winners there has to be losers.

Money is fake. It is.
Think about it, what is it? It is not real.
The values are made up by men we do not know, and manipulated by people with alot of it.
Yet it governs our life. Kinda like "god". Jesus said I have to spend a knot of money on you on December 25th (don't tell them Christmas is a pagan holiday of Sol Invictus. Tree and everything, thank Rome for that)

Reality is simple, solutions are not.

CaptainHaplo · 12-09-11, 07:24 PM

looks to me he is thinking about whether those two are doin it..... and laughing at the idea

12-09-11, 01:52 PM	#3
Hakahura Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Posts: 785 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well done Dave! About time too. __________________ Sir Humphey Appleby, GCB, KBE, MVO and MA. Britain's Greatest Orator, well bar that Churchill fellow.

12-09-11, 04:37 PM	#6
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	Good job Britain, European union was a disaster for the common people. If you don't think someone(s) got rich from this worldwide finanacial crisis then you are daft, ignorant, or living under a rock. Let the whole thing fall, the whole house of cards. Then we can start over, with proper laws in place to protect people from financial wizards (predators). Sure it will hurt, but alot of folks are already hurt by this, time for everyone to share in the burden, not just the super poor, and the lower middle class. Who has bore the brunt of this for the last 5 years. Capitalism is broken, not the system, but the people who are meant to protect us from the extremes of it. __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

12-09-11, 05:27 PM	#9
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,357 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Well , the outcome has done nothing for Italy and Spain because their loan interest rates went up again today __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

12-09-11, 05:34 PM	#10
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,790 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	One needs to see one thing also. Cameron was not exclusively about the new treaties. He wanted special rights and exceptions for the British stockmarket. He wanted not only to prevent future regulations for the London, and wanted not only to prevent future financial transaction taxes for London - but as being reported in German media, he also demanded that existing rules should be reversed and that London should be given special veto powers and exceptions from rules Britain already had agreed to, regarding the set called Basel-III, and slightly tighter regulation of financial transaction. German paper Die Welt also said that he made a very arrogant and snippy appearance, pissing all the 26 others also on a personal level, due to the way in which he met the others. British exports go to close to 50% into the EU. It has now nothing to say and decide anymore in economical issues that are of vital interest for it. And like it or not, any worsening of the Euro crisis will backfire on London as well - the pound is no autark currency, and the British economy is far from being in a shape to be supportive of any isolationistic policy. Take from this what you want, like the outcome of the summit or not - it are simply facts that also will make their weight felt. Even more so if - what so far I do not expect - the German indeed will prevent forever anything that wpould equal the function of Eurobonds, and will indeed successfully prevent the ECB or the ESM from gaining the legal status of a bank's licence to form fictional virtual value by measures of its own. If so and the stability policy indeed would become dominant, London as a financial hotspot would be suffering in the long run, loosing in importance. Loosing deals. Loosing taxes adding to the British national GDP. I honestly do not know wether to applaud Britain, or to cry for it. Certain is this: they talk of a new treaty and new rules that should secure a culture of financial stability and debt discipline in the future. For some strange reason, nobody talks anymore about that we already have such a treaty and such deficit rules in place, and that just almost everybody is violating it, including Germany and France. It is the treaty of Maastricht and the socalled stability pact. When that treaty has been violated so massively until now, and so many other EU rules been violated or ignored as well - why does anybody seriously believe that just another treaty will not be violated, bypassed, ignored as well when it is seen as opportunistic - even more when Germany to a greater degree then already now will guarantee and stand up for thge losses created by doing so, and an anchoring in the de-factor EU-constitution of Lisbon has been prevented by a EU president and EU commission fearing it's status getting reduced? For the British, I may not know what to think of the summit. But for Germany, I already know. It is pretty much the mess I feared, hidden under a thick coat of sugary words and shining glitter. The "markets", they of course have hoped to make more short-term profit by installking the socalled "bazooka": payed by the taxpapyer, installed at the price of even more debts, and benefitting some profiteers at the top who already are fat and want to become fatter at the cost of the communal interest. Their heistent, or negazive reaction today can be taken as a logical coinseqeunce for the dissappointed greed. But maybe one could also take it as a sign that they tend to agree with my assessement, though. Dissapointed greed, and sense of realism - must not always be mutually exclusive. The operetta goes on. The orchestra doesn't find the right tones, the singers yell out of tune, and the choir knows no choreography but smiles as wide like Sun Shine herself. But the room nevertheless applauds. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 12-09-11 at 05:47 PM.

12-09-11, 05:50 PM	#11
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	Skybird. It is simply proof that the EU is doomed to fail. It was as noble an idea as Communism. Until mortal men realized how wealthy they can get. As with all things, with winners there has to be losers. Money is fake. It is. Think about it, what is it? It is not real. The values are made up by men we do not know, and manipulated by people with alot of it. Yet it governs our life. Kinda like "god". Jesus said I have to spend a knot of money on you on December 25th (don't tell them Christmas is a pagan holiday of Sol Invictus. Tree and everything, thank Rome for that) Reality is simple, solutions are not. __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.

12-09-11, 01:31 PM	#2
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Very well, alone.

12-09-11, 01:55 PM	#4
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	The Game is Up, The EURO is Finished! Nigel Farage Speaks Out

12-09-11, 07:24 PM	#12
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,405 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	looks to me he is thinking about whether those two are doin it..... and laughing at the idea __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo