What would Jesus do?: The rise of a slogan

[Blood_splat]

Jesus would be killed immediately by our world governments.

[Takeda Shingen]

Jesus would probably have a hard time being heard over the roar of the multitudes of people telling trying to tell everyone else what Jesus actually meant.

[mookiemookie]

Jesus would need a PR firm

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Jesus would need a PR firm

... that does business in Aramaic.

What would Jesus do, I don't now, but He would not make a political statement, and He would not judge the rich.

the rich are free to spend, hoard or give as much as they like, the poor will always be with us.

seasons greetings and good will to you all.

[Blood_splat]

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by sidslotm

What would Jesus do, I don't now, but He would not make a political statement, and He would not judge the rich.

the rich are free to spend, hoard or give as much as they like, the poor will always be with us.

Not trying to start a thing with you, but that is pretty much the opposite of what he said.

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Not trying to start a thing with you, but that is pretty much the opposite of what he said.

A lot of people including myself for many years thought this way as well. Exsample Jesus was not Judgeing the Pharisees when He had a pop at them by calling them hypocrits, because they were hypocrits.

When I read these verses again after my mistake was pointed out to me by a kindly man, I saw that just about everything Jesus spoke was not judgement, but statement, the exact opposite of politics, so don't worry about starting a thing with me. maybe Jesus will make a disciple out you yet and greater things will you do.

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by sidslotm

Exsample Jesus was not Judgeing the Pharisees when He had a pop at them by calling them hypocrits, because they were hypocrits.

[snip]

just about everything Jesus spoke was not judgement, but statement, the exact opposite of politics

Is the following a statement?

The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles. Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes.

Edit: And before someone wants to point out the obvious, no, it's not from the Bible and therefore not directly related to Jesus. I'm just curious of how a "statement" is defined in the above case.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by sidslotm

A lot of people including myself for many years thought this way as well. Exsample Jesus was not Judgeing the Pharisees when He had a pop at them by calling them hypocrits, because they were hypocrits.

When I read these verses again after my mistake was pointed out to me by a kindly man, I saw that just about everything Jesus spoke was not judgement, but statement, the exact opposite of politics, so don't worry about starting a thing with me. maybe Jesus will make a disciple out you yet and greater things will you do.

I am not talking about the Pharisees, although I think that you are wrong in your analysis there as well. I am talking about the beatitudes, both in Matthew and Luke.

From the Sermon on the Mount, Matthew 5: 3-12, NIV:

3 ***8220;Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 ***8220;Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

From The Sermon on the Plain, Luke 6: 20-22, NIV:

20 Looking at his disciples, he said:
***8220;Blessed are you who are poor,
for yours is the kingdom of God.
21 Blessed are you who hunger now,
for you will be satisfied.
Blessed are you who weep now,
for you will laugh.
22 Blessed are you when people hate you,
when they exclude you and insult you
and reject your name as evil,
because of the Son of Man.

And then the 'woes' from Luke 6: 24-26, NIV:

24 ***8220;But woe to you who are rich,
for you have already received your comfort.
25 Woe to you who are well fed now,
for you will go hungry.
Woe to you who laugh now,
for you will mourn and weep.
26 Woe to you when everyone speaks well of you,
for that is how their ancestors treated the false prophets.

Now, no wise man spoke to me, but from reading this words from some of Jesus' most famous teachings, it is pretty obvious where Jesus says God's judgement will fall. Also, given that his command to his disciples was to litterally give away everything they own, renounce the physical and come follow, I don't think that your argument about Jesus and the rich holds any water at all.