Hillary Clinton declares 'gay rights are human rights'

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Every year, one of my local television stations breaks in with two painful hours of Saint Patrick's Day parade coverage, complete with lengthy diatribes by only the most hardcore Irish-Americans, detailing the struggles of Irish Catholics in America and how they used to protect churches. Now, if we are going to put the lid on celebrations of gay pride, we must also do the same things for Irish pride. I imagine that Columbus Day and Oktoberfest celebrations should also be reigned in. Fair is fair.

While in SFO and on Market Street about 8 years ago, I had the unfortunate experience of seeing one of these "homo pride" parades going by. I saw public nudity, and some other perversions I wouldn't post here. Ever heard of the "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence"? Yuck! Simply put, I don't think Irish Catholics in their cultural heritage parades and these gay fests are comparable.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

I saw public nudity, and some other perversions [...]I don't think Irish Catholics in their cultural heritage parades and these gay fests are comparable.

(pic taken on St. Paddy's in Ireland)
yup, clearly not comparable!

and though you have a stricter moral code in the US regarding public displays of flesh, I really don't think that you won't find any women who flash their tits at SPD in Boston...

As other have said before: if you don't like the Dallas Cowboys, don't attend their parade.




(edit: lol @MH, this reminds me of the German saying: Two idiots, one thought)

[mookiemookie]

Then there's parades like the annual Fantasy Fest in Key West. There's some saggy old boobs covered by nothing but body paint on display there. Yeccch.

[August]

Originally Posted by Penguin

yup, clearly not comparable!

Well no they really aren't comparable unless you count momentary flashing of a breast to be the same as oral sex being performed right out there on the curb for everyone to see.

if you don't like the Dallas Cowboys, don't attend their parade

Point taken, but on the other hand would it be appropriate to have a tribute to the New England Patriots in the Dallas Cowboy parade? If gays want their own parade let them organize their own parade. They shouldn't be crashing that of others.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

Point taken, but on the other hand would it be appropriate to have a tribute to the New England Patriots in the Dallas Cowboy parade?

Are we asking most people or are we asking you? Those would probably be different answers.

[Betonov]

You're talking about nudity like it's a bad thing, you never went winter streaking

[soopaman2]

This is taking something way to far now. I watch football for brutal men, out strategizing the other brutal men. I could care less about the cheerleaders (they don't help the spread). I got a set of boobs in my house that I stare at all day, and after all these years still get yelled at for it!

I am sure you can find the fat naked chick parade and point it out here, but the point I was making when I started this crapstorm is....

Ready?

If you are fighting to be equal then why do you need a parade that does nothing but showcase your eccentrism?

Be equal, by just being gay and living your life. Not closing down traffic for half a day in New York City, because you want to wave a rainbow flag and wear a dress.

Just be gay. Be yourself. Be confident in what you are and 98% of us will accept you. But realize it makes some uncomfortable, and not rub peoples noses in it

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

the point I was making when I started this crapstorm is....

lol, you are clearly not long enough on here to call this quite civilized discussion here a crapstorm, just check out some earlier discussions in GT- no offense, man!

Originally Posted by soopaman2

If you are fighting to be equal then why do you need a parade that does nothing but showcase your eccentrism?

I hate ties, I find them ugly and disgusting, one of the most ridiculous and useless pieces of clothing that humans ever invented, but who am I to judge how other people dress? Guess there are also some people who find my clothing ugly.

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Be equal, by just being gay and living your life. Not closing down traffic for half a day in New York City, because you want to wave a rainbow flag and wear a dress.

Isn't this the same about Puerto Rican Day in NY - closed streets, people waving flags and (chicks) wearing dresses? Though I haven't seen this event live, got my wisdom from a Seinfeld episode

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Just be gay. Be yourself. Be confident in what you are and 98% of us will accept you. But realize it makes some uncomfortable, and not rub peoples noses in it

Well, this is a mixed thing. There is certainly an amount of showing: "hey, we don't want to live in closets and that's how we roll!"
Then there's also self-display; to have another American Fooball analogy: on the tv broadcasts the camera zooms much less onto the Joe Sixpacks applauding in the stadium than on the fat guys with their team colors on their naked bellies

Personally I think the same if I meet someone and he tells me in the first sentence: "Hi, I'm Fred and I am gay." than about someone telling me "Hi I'm Jane and I'm a Buddhist/vegetarian/toilet cleaner/goldfish admirer/etc." : "Did I ask about this and wth does this have to do with anything?"

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by August

Well no they really aren't comparable unless you count momentary flashing of a breast to be the same as oral sex being performed right out there on the curb for everyone to see.



Point taken, but on the other hand would it be appropriate to have a tribute to the New England Patriots in the Dallas Cowboy parade? If gays want their own parade let them organize their own parade. They shouldn't be crashing that of others.

Well, as you probably know I come from the part of Germany where Carnival is quite big, in fact we call it the fifth season of the year. So people here like to party. On Carnival you can see (drunk) couples performing sex in the late hours, not in the parade, but in bus stops, house entrances or in pub's bathrooms. However this view is much less common than drunkards beating the crap out of each other. I think that oral sex performances at gay parades are also an exception in the US and are certainly not endorsed by the organizers of the parade, alone for legal reasons.

So it is no coincidence that Cologne, which has the biggest carnival here, with more than a million spectators, also has the biggest Christopher Street day parade with several hundred thousand spectators, many of them non-gay, who come there and enjoy the party atmosphere and the wagons. Another number: The Rosenmontagszug 2011 (main day of carnival) had 150 wagons, the CSD in 2011 had 100.

And the gays do organize their own event, of course in coordination with the city which does their organization part (road closures, cleaning, safety, etc.) However both events, Carival and the gay parade are also a big financial gain regarding tourism.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Penguin

(pic taken on St. Paddy's in Ireland)
yup, clearly not comparable!

Yup. Absolutely not comparable. Where's the public nudity and sex acts? Where's the gross public bodily fluid discharges? Where are the BDSM acts? Where are the sex toy demos? Where is the public m*****bation? You can find all that at a "homo pride" parade in Frisco.

What I see here are three girls walking in skimpy outfits. I've seen girls dressed in less during a day at the beach.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Yup. Absolutely not comparable. Where's the public nudity and sex acts? Where's the gross public bodily fluid discharges? Where are the BDSM acts? Where are the sex toy demos? Where is the public m*****bation? You can find all that at a "homo pride" parade in Frisco.

What I see here are three girls walking in skimpy outfits. I've seen girls dressed in less during a day at the beach.

well, I wanted to play by the forum rules - I am sure you find some other pics - doesn't have to be Carnival in Rio, hell in our last years Carnival procession we had a 30 feet nude statue of our chancellor on a wagon - no beautiful sight
My point is that the amount of skin displayed in my sample picture is about the same amount of "nudity" you can see at an average gay parade.

I still have to ask you, why you went to the event if you are offended by the display of sexuality. It is certainly pannounced when those events happen is SF, don't like it, don't be in The Castro when the gays parade, don't want your kids to see it, don't bring them, easy as this.

[Gerald]

GENEVA — The Obama administration announced on Tuesday that the United States would use all the tools of American diplomacy, including the potent enticement of foreign aid, to promote gay rights around the world. In a memorandum issued by President Obama in Washington and in a speech by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton here, the administration vowed to actively combat efforts by other nations that criminalize homosexual conduct, abuse gay men, lesbians, bisexuals or transgendered people, or ignore abuse against them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/07/wo...html?ref=world

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

While in SFO and on Market Street about 8 years ago, I had the unfortunate experience of seeing one of these "homo pride" parades going by. I saw public nudity, and some other perversions I wouldn't post here. Ever heard of the "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence"? Yuck! Simply put, I don't think Irish Catholics in their cultural heritage parades and these gay fests are comparable.

If you want to go that route, I would ask you where your outrage is over, say, Mardi Gras and it's parent, Carnival?

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

If you want to go that route, I would ask you where your outrage is over, say, Mardi Gras and it's parent, Carnival?

We can go that route. I do have a problem with any public sexual indecency displayed at Mardi Gras and Carnival as well. Get a room. But like someone else pointed out, there's a far cry from flashing some T&A for beads and two gross looking homos conducting oral sex on the sidewalk, or the other thing that grossed me out at the Market street display......public group m*****bation.

[Morts]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

two gross looking homos

A gay marriage thread is never complete without some good old fashioned bigotry



It really saddens me that there are still people as closed minded as you around.