Cain Reassessing Candidacy Amid New Allegations

[Takeda Shingen]

Sky, I'm not so sure about Gingrich's alleged racism, but the rest of what you quoted is, in my opinion, an accurate depiction of the two of them. Of course, I don't identify with either of them or their philosophy, so I may be less willing to play apologist for them than others.

[August]

Those two quotes prove my point.

For example:

even though most of these ideas are lousy if not downright offensive, such as firing unionized school janitors, so poor children could do their jobs

What Gingrich actually advocated was allowing kids to earn money helping to clean up their school. My first job was raking leaves and sweeping floors at May A Gallagher Junior High School when I was a kid. Darn good money for a 13 year old. Eliminating just one high paying low performing union janitor job would provide a bunch of kids like me a hard to find source of income, not to mention teaching us a few valuable lessons about the value of a buck.

But oh no. Speigel, deems that "offensive". That makes me believe that rags like der Speigel are what is wrong with our society.

[August]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Sky, I'm not so sure about Gingrich's alleged racism, but the rest of what you quoted is, in my opinion, an accurate depiction of the two of them. Of course, I don't identify with either of them or their philosophy, so I may be less willing to play apologist for them than others.

But apparently you aren't above making snide comments about those who you think do identify with them right?

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

But apparently you aren't above making snide comments about those who you think do identify with them right?

I have my own individuals for whom I do play apologist. I am able to admit this freely. Now, tell me who is being snide.

[vienna]

Is that your girlfriend Vienna?

No, I have been very fortunate to have avoided that type. I have only one ex-wife and, although we have drifted apart over the years, we were on friendly terms. I have also been fortunate to have not had any rancourus partings with my oter long term realtionships. I have shied away from serious relationships in recent years because I discoverd a distubing pattern: my first wife has blonde hair, blue eyes and is left-handed (I just realized, if I were still married to her, next year would have been our 40th wedding aniversary ; my next serious relationship (over 7 years long) was with a lady who had blue eyes, was left-handed, and blonde (though at the time I met her, her hair was dyed red); my last serious relationship was with a model from Belgium (Flemish is a beautiful language when a beautiful woman whispers it in your ear). One day, I noticed she was writing with her left hand, someting I hadn't really noticed before. Then it occurred to me she was also blonde and had blue eyes. I had inadvertently settled on a type of woman. After her. I decided I would either seek a right-handed brunette or an ambidextrous redhead; I still haven't found the right one yet...

Anyway, I belive you may be right:

It maybe meeting his ex-wife if all (or even most of) these stories about Mr. Cain's loyalty prove to be correct...

[Platapus]

So you are advising staying away from sinister women?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

Those two quotes prove my point.

For example:


What Gingrich actually advocated was allowing kids to earn money helping to clean up their school. My first job was raking leaves and sweeping floors at May A Gallagher Junior High School when I was a kid. Darn good money for a 13 year old. Eliminating just one high paying low performing union janitor job would provide a bunch of kids like me a hard to find source of income, not to mention teaching us a few valuable lessons about the value of a buck.

But oh no. Speigel, deems that "offensive". That makes me believe that rags like der Speigel are what is wrong with our society.

For a 13 year old kid who is still a kiod and no part of the adult working force, it is pocket money. For the adult doing the joib for low wage, probably, but still as a formnal job - it is the basis of his living and income.

I have worked in a storehouse for years, and saw that happening to. Trained staff got firted when becoming too old (avoidjg pensions), or when organising in any way the trust leadership saw as interference with its own god-like status. To replace them, school-boys and girls and young students got hired for the most, wortking a few hours per week only and with much smaller social insurance obligations and with smaller wages per hour.

And then there is the big rest of what is written about Gingrich - and which you comfortably ignore - while years ago having made oh so big a story of Clinton and Levisnky and how untrustworthy a president is when he does lie about having had a BJ in office.

You asked why I did not comment ont he article, and then did a lot of typing yourself trying to get me entangled in something. But the simple fact that you started with is that were you started with me not commenting and being oin love with the gospel the Spiegel is for me, you could have been so much clearer yourself - by simply saying that you think the descriptions are false and the arguments are fakes and that you thereforedo not agree, and that you probably like Gingrich. But no, some sneaking was what followed, some attempt of trapping...

Okay, you do not like Der Spiegel, I know that since years. Next time simply say so, but don't play games. I did not buy it from the beginning on. Me, I think Spiegel has it right in some of their essays, and is very wrong in others. They can be very independent in their analysis, and even conservative, hostile to the left, or the govenrment as well. Then another author of theirs gets published, and they make themselves sound terribly left and europhile again.

Seen that way De rSpiegel covers a wider variety of the spectrum of poltical oipinions maybe, than most other newspapers (or weekly magazines, which the printed Spiegel in reality is).

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And then there is the big rest of what is written about Gingrich - and which you comfortably ignore - while years ago having made oh so big a story of Clinton and Levisnky and how untrustworthy a president is when he does lie about having had a BJ in office.

I never said Gingrich was a Saint. I just said that your Speigel article twists things. You seem to easily get upset when people question your sources.

You asked why I did not comment ont he article, and then did a lot of typing yourself trying to get me entangled in something. But the simple fact that you started with is that were you started with me not commenting and being oin love with the gospel the Spiegel is for me, you could have been so much clearer yourself - by simply saying that you think the descriptions are false and the arguments are fakes and that you thereforedo not agree, and that you probably like Gingrich. But no, some sneaking was what followed, some attempt of trapping..

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Pure fantasy Skybird. All I said was:

Not very accurate to claim that Romney and Gingrich are not knowledgeable

That is not clear enough for you?

Okay, you do not like Der Spiegel, I know that since years. Next time simply say so, but don't play games. I did not buy it from the beginning on. Me, I think Spiegel has it right in some of their essays, and is very wrong in others. They can be very independent in their analysis, and even conservative, hostile to the left, or the govenrment as well. Then another author of theirs gets published, and they make themselves sound terribly left and europhile again.

Oh c'mon, you quote Speigel like an evangelist quotes the Bible. I don't particularly care what that rag says or who they are hostile to, but I will reserve the right, as I did here, to comment on the trash they print when I see it quoted here.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

I don't particularly care what that rag says or who they are hostile to....

Seems to me that you care quite a bit. A link to Der Spiegel is like red to a bull for you.

[August]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Seems to me that you care quite a bit. A link to Der Spiegel is like red to a bull for you.

Thank you for your opinion Mister Moderator.

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

For a 13 year old kid who is still a kiod and no part of the adult working force, it is pocket money. For the adult doing the joib for low wage, probably, but still as a formnal job - it is the basis of his living and income.

Oh and by the way. The school system does not exist to provide someone with a high paying union janitor job. Teaching a whole generation of teenagers the value of a buck is a far better use of the money.

[AVGWarhawk]

Unions....sorry...I don't like them either.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Unions....sorry...I don't like them either.

Then by extension you're not fond of a five day work week, child labor laws, employer sponsored health insurance and workplace safety laws. The Triangle Shirtwaist factory did not sound like a fun place to work.

[Takeda Shingen]

Withdrawn. I'm better than that.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Then by extension you're not fond of a five day work week, child labor laws, employer sponsored health insurance and workplace safety laws. The Triangle Shirtwaist factory did not sound like a fun place to work.

Well if he is then by extension you must be fond of preventing people from working unless they kick back a big chunk of their salary to the mob, er I mean the union, bribing politicians to award ridiculously generous terms on labor contracts that the taxpayer is forced to fund regardless of the local economic situation, promotions and retention based on seniority and not merit, lazy, sloppy, truculent workers, violence against non union workers and all the other negatives that unions bring to the workplace. If you want to expound on 100 year old positives then you also have to include the more modern negatives that go with it.

As for the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory I do see your point, it sure doesn't sound like a place to work, on the other hand I understand that working at the Station Night Club was a hoot. Fire safety laws are always the result of an injury or tragedy forcing politicians to do something. They are not union creations.