Sneakiness... SH3stock vs NYGM vs LSH vs ???

Note that your ideal response was posted in the UBI forums. Generally the community here at SubSim take a dim view of comparing the mega-mods against each other. Consider it a slap in the face of the modding teams who have spent countless hours creating the content we use to improve the entire series. For free.

The only person who can legitimately address your initial question is you, and only by trial and observation. If you cannot be bothered to see what's what first hand you should not be surprised when your inquiry is treated the way it was. Nobody here wants to re-open discussions and arguments that ended years ago and the acrimony that flowed from them. This is exactly where your subjective numerical scoring of the way which the modders addressed the issue of stealth was headed and so you got the responses above. This is why I consider your questions and methodology invalid and no doubt the reason for the curt responses from Jimbuna and Privateer, both long-time SH Modders of note and so worthy of respect.

As to your final question, the answers are in the modding threads and those in the know will likely address specific how-to questions in those forums when asked.

I am not a modder (of Silent Hunter anyway), just a consumer of mods and regular Forum member so the above is my opinion and offered without warranty. As you say, Peace. And Good Hunting...

[Fish In The Water]

Originally Posted by Randomizer

The only person who can legitimately address your initial question is you, and only by trial and observation.

Absolutely, and the same holds true for all of us.

Generally the community here at SubSim take a dim view of comparing the mega-mods against each other.

Perhaps, but anyone with a copy of Multi-SH3 is likely doing just that in private. This being the case, it is often difficult to avoid expressing your honest opinion when someone pointedly asks for it.

While I understand the concerns about re-opening old wounds from the past, (and even though I have no desire to see those battles waged again), I still think we would do well to be mindful that new members are not intimately aware of them.

Consider it a slap in the face of the modding teams who have spent countless hours creating the content we use to improve the entire series. For free.

I'm sorry but I don't view a public discussion as a "slap in the face." More to the point, I don't interpret the OP's intent as trying to slap anyone in the face. IIRC he has already indicated (in another thread) that GWX is his platform of choice. As such, he has already acknowledged its worth by making it his personal pre-eminent mega-mod.

How then is asking how to best tailor it to his ability and/or playing style being disrespectful? The only 'comparison' he seemed to be seeking was whether the AI from some other source might be more friendly for a new player.

If this is sacrilege then I guess I missed the point.

This is why I consider your questions and methodology invalid and no doubt the reason for the curt responses from Jimbuna and Privateer, both long-time SH Modders of note and so worthy of respect.

I also respect them both a great deal. But what is this thing called respect? And why do I get the impression it varies from person to person?

My definition of respect means I hold them in high esteem, I am grateful for their many contributions and I try not to poke them with a stick.

That being said, there still has to be a place for constructive criticism, provided the motive is to build rather than tear down. I don't believe in sacred cows, and as great as GWX is, nothing is perfect and it could always be improved.

Does this mean I'm trying to devalue all their hard work? Absolutely not! As I value and appreciate all their contributions plus I'm quite confident they did the very best they could at the time.

I say this because I know of their passion for the project and their desire to make it the best it can be. I also share this passion, and so any criticism I may have is not from a desire to tear down but rather from a desire to see the whole picture and to encourage people to try and make it better.

Surely we can separate the two, and allow the one without feeling the other is somehow under attack.

This is exactly where your subjective numerical scoring of the way which the modders addressed the issue of stealth was headed and so you got the responses above.

If we're going to pre-judge where something is headed, then we're basically closing our minds and shutting down communication.

I know motives are often hard to discern in a forum setting and as a result many people tend to be gunshy as a natural precaution. Sadly this is a tendency that often leads to the stifling of free flowing communication. I would hope that we could rise above this aspect of human nature and consider virtually all topics open for civil discussion.

Just my two cents. Nothing personal in any of this, so please don't be offended.

As you say, Peace. And Good Hunting...

And to you as well good sir!

Had 89 asked something along the lines of "What of the super mods provides the greatest stealth for a surface U-Boat? By day? By night?" I would never have responded as I did and probably not replied at all since the vast majority of my SH3 time has been in GWX.

Rather the question was more like "On a scale of 1 to 10, with 5 being Stock and GWX being 2, how do the other Mods compare regarding surfaced daytime stealth?"

The latter is not just a different question, it's a different type of question and one that seeks to open cans of worms better left closed. At least in my opinion. I did not pretend to speak for Jimbuna or Privateer but got a sense that neither liked the way the thread was going and will apologize if I am mistaken. Both are well able to take care of themselves.

Discussion regarding features and design philosophies is not the same as numerical scoring and building some silly list from best to worse. Likewise comparing the mods using variable, arbitrary and subjective perimeters without even trying them out first hand hardly respects the creative process and effort involved producing even minor mods.

Edit

I need to add that at no time have I thought that 89 intended offence or controversy. I too have tried to remain civil while remaining in disagreement.

[Fish In The Water]

Originally Posted by Randomizer

Had 89 asked something along the lines of "What of the super mods provides the greatest stealth for a surface U-Boat? By day? By night?" I would never have responded as I did and probably not replied at all since the vast majority of my SH3 time has been in GWX.

As has mine, (time spent with GWX that is), which is why I felt unqualified to give a specific answer.

Discussion regarding features and design philosophies is not the same as numerical scoring and building some silly list from best to worse.

This is a valid point with which I fully agree. Thank you for taking the time to explain it a little more. My only concern here is that while this type of subjective ranking and numerical listing may seem 'silly' to you and I, new members (without the benefit of our background) do not always view it as such.

In other words, I think it would be beneficial for us to advise them a little more diplomatically rather than come across as curt and risk having some wander off thinking we're a bunch of elitist snobs or perhaps even worse.

I need to add that at no time have I thought that 89 intended offence or controversy. I too have tried to remain civil while remaining in disagreement.

And I think you have remained civil, for which I salute you.