3 misconceptions about the US that need to die

Platapus · 11-05-11, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Well you do get half of it from youselves

You are right! We have to do something about that. We need to invade and force ourselves to sell ourselves our own oil at a price that is good for us.

Brilliant!

mookiemookie · 11-05-11, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

You are right! We have to do something about that. We need to invade and force ourselves to sell ourselves our own oil at a price that is good for us.

Brilliant!

The USA should invade the USA and win the hearts and minds of the population by building roads, bridges and putting locals to work.

Bubblehead1980 · 11-05-11, 03:57 PM

very interesting and some of it did surprise me.However, some of it is alarming, China holding that much debt is scary as well as how much oil we import from anywhere.

Buddahaid · 11-05-11, 04:09 PM

I know about the oil use. That's why we only need to conserve 10% to be free of foreign oil. Drive cars that have 10% better gas mileage would really help.

TarJak · 11-05-11, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I know about the oil use. That's why we only need to conserve 10% to be free of foreign oil. Drive cars that have 10% better gas mileage would really help.

Hey you could buy them from China.

Platapus · 11-05-11, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

very interesting and some of it did surprise me.However, some of it is alarming, China holding that much debt is scary as well as how much oil we import from anywhere.

Why is China holding that debt any different than any other country holding that debt?

JU_88 · 11-05-11, 06:30 PM

The only thing i find alarming is just how much debt the US has.
The US gov borrows 42c of each dollar it spends!

1480 · 11-05-11, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JU_88

The only thing i find alarming is just how much debt the US has.
The US gov borrows 42c of each dollar it spends!

nikimcbee · 11-05-11, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 1480

It's called obamunism siily goose.

Sailor Steve · 11-05-11, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

The USA should invade the USA and win the hearts and minds of the population by building roads, bridges and putting locals to work.

Best plan I've heard in a long while. Or the other way around: The USA could declare war on the USA and lose. Then the USA would do the above, but in a friendlier manner.

Torplexed · 11-05-11, 11:26 PM

USA out of North America!

Old Iroquois slogan.

August · 11-07-11, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Best plan I've heard in a long while. Or the other way around: The USA could declare war on the USA and lose. Then the USA would do the above, but in a friendlier manner.

I think we'd prove quite troublesome anyways.

tater · 11-07-11, 09:41 PM

The point was that I personally think most "stuff" I see for sale is made in China. It seems to be true. Walk through a retailer and check.

The idea that "everything is made in china" is not at all silly. The FACT that it comprises a fairly small dollar value % wise is being intentionally misleading. Why, for example, did they lump "goods and services?" It the case of crap from china it is all GOODS. Since over 75% of the US economy is "services," they are being intentionally misleading, IMHO.

I don't mind the straight facts, and I have no particular axe to grind (I'm not one who hates that we get stuff from china, I don;t hate walmart (even if i never shop there, etc), but always look at what they are actually comparing.

They say PRC crap is 2.7% of the economy, but since ~75% is service, and 22% is apparently US manufacturing, that 2.7% is a large % of that little bit that is left, is it not?

the_tyrant · 11-07-11, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

They say PRC crap is 2.7% of the economy, but since ~75% is service, and 22% is apparently US manufacturing, that 2.7% is a large % of that little bit that is left, is it not?

Well, if we look at it this way, American goods account for 1.7% of china's economy

https://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i...F+gdp+of+china

I personally think in this age of Globalization its really not that much

total US imports are $1.948 trillion USD per year, while imports from China are $364.9 Billion USD a year
I don't think its that bad, considering that China accounts for 20.9% of the non US population on earth (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i...+population%29)

1480 · 11-07-11, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant

Well, if we look at it this way, American goods account for 1.7% of china's economy

https://www.uschina.org/statistics/tradetable.html
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i...F+gdp+of+china

I personally think in this age of Globalization its really not that much

total US imports are $1.948 trillion USD per year, while imports from China are $364.9 Billion USD a year
I don't think its that bad, considering that China accounts for 20.9% of the non US population on earth (http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i...+population%29)

Excellent point. If we are looking at numbers might as well go all in.

11-05-11, 04:09 PM	#4
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,331 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	I know about the oil use. That's why we only need to conserve 10% to be free of foreign oil. Drive cars that have 10% better gas mileage would really help. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

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Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	USA out of North America! Old Iroquois slogan. __________________ --Mobilis in Mobili--

11-07-11, 09:41 PM	#13
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The point was that I personally think most "stuff" I see for sale is made in China. It seems to be true. Walk through a retailer and check. The idea that "everything is made in china" is not at all silly. The FACT that it comprises a fairly small dollar value % wise is being intentionally misleading. Why, for example, did they lump "goods and services?" It the case of crap from china it is all GOODS. Since over 75% of the US economy is "services," they are being intentionally misleading, IMHO. I don't mind the straight facts, and I have no particular axe to grind (I'm not one who hates that we get stuff from china, I don;t hate walmart (even if i never shop there, etc), but always look at what they are actually comparing. They say PRC crap is 2.7% of the economy, but since ~75% is service, and 22% is apparently US manufacturing, that 2.7% is a large % of that little bit that is left, is it not? __________________ "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." — Thomas Paine

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Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,124 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	very interesting and some of it did surprise me.However, some of it is alarming, China holding that much debt is scary as well as how much oil we import from anywhere.

11-05-11, 06:30 PM	#7
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,806 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	The only thing i find alarming is just how much debt the US has. The US gov borrows 42c of each dollar it spends!