Hundreds of Occupy Wall Street protesters arrested

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Actually that's one part about these protests that I don't get. Why the squatting? Why occupy public (or private, for that matter) land? There's a line between public protest and having a chance to air out views, and trying to do that through being a public nuisance.

Last I checked, being an annoyance is not a good way to instigate positive change.

I think it's a "lifestyle". The flea-baggers are just using the "occupy" movement to live the lifestyle. When the occupy fad goes away, they'll go away and will come out when the next socialist/communist/anarchist protest starts. Pornland and Seattle are infested with this lazy scum.


Oh, btw, the occupy leaders are angry that the flea-baggers are eating all of the free food.


Peace, land, bread!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I think it's a "lifestyle". The flea-baggers are just using the "occupy" movement to live the lifestyle. When the occupy fad goes away, they'll go away and will come out when the next socialist/communist/anarchist protest starts. Pornland and Seattle are infested with this lazy scum.


Oh, btw, the occupy leaders are angry that the flea-baggers are eating all of the free food.


Peace, land, bread!

Some truth to this. There are career college students. There are professional protesters. The have learned to generate issues at the protests to get media attention. Things of this nature.

[Sailor Steve]

HEY! I'm lowly offended by that picture! I'll have you know that my Official US Navy hat was made in Vietnam! The other one was made in China, but so what!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

HEY! I'm lowly offended by that picture! I'll have you know that my Official US Navy hat was made in Vietnam! The other one was made in China, but so what!

My wife was looking at a pair if New Balance shoes last night. Also made in Vietnam! There is so much manufacturing outside the US it's incredible. Not a wonder we are in a pickle.

[tater]

In some municipalities, other rallies have been required to take out insurance, rent toilets, etc. All to the tune of thousands of dollars for a rally of a few hours.

Wonder if any of the "occupy" protests are required to do the same.

[yubba]

It's funny there is more capitalism going on in communist countries than there is in the states. So much for the grand soceity they wanted us to be, a consumer nation with no manufacturing how stupid is that. I thought ows ers were for the little guy, and they are all bent out of shape the homeless are eating their food, I thought this was a share and share alike kind of thing what's this world come-ing to when you can't trust protesters and what they stand for. That's why I like TEA

[CaptainMattJ.]

we cant be a consumer economy if we have no money to buy anything. And what exactly creates more high paying jobs? tons of Walmarts selling tons of unreliable chinese low-grade items, or electronic engineering facilities and assembly plants.

China has now become the new Soviet Union. a massive nuclear superpower with torrents of disposable manpower to throw around. why? because we let them. WE ship ridiculous amounts of jobs overseas to china, and what do they expect?

And im totally loving the whole republican campaign solgan: "Blame it ALL [and i do mean ALL] on Obama. But if you vote for me, i can somehow improve the economy [although i cant tell you how im going to achieve this, just trust me]" funny how much criticism obama gets for the fact that republicans and democrats in congress, the true de facto leaders in this government, can and will NEVER agree to each others demands, no matter how logical they may be. That, and the fact that obama didnt single-handedly cause the recession and just BARELY got anything past congress.

[1480]

I blame it all on the death of Jerry Garcia! These are the same folks that would hold signs that read: I need a miracle!

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

And what exactly creates more high paying jobs? tons of Walmarts selling tons of unreliable chinese low-grade items, or electronic engineering facilities and assembly plants.

The electronic engineering facility and assembly plant won't create jobs unless there is a demand not only for their product but also for the product at their price.

No demand = no buying = no selling = no production = no jobs

China has now become the new Soviet Union. a massive nuclear superpower with torrents of disposable manpower to throw around. why? because we let them. WE ship ridiculous amounts of jobs overseas to china, and what do they expect?

That's capitalism at its purest. The consumer wants the mostest for the leastest. It may be handy to blame the big evil corporations for shipping jobs overseas, but it is the citizenry right here that made the decision to buy less expensive instead of buy American. We started making this decision in the late 1940's and we have never stopped.

Is it realistic to expect the American consumer to deliberately pay MORE for a product when there is a chance to buy the same (or better) product for LESS? That is not what capitalism is about.

And that is something that American's need to understand. Capitalism does not always work in our favour. It is great when it did, but times change. Buying a product based on where it is produced would be a form of Nationalism, not capitalism. Capitalism, by its very nature, is unfair or at least nationalistically unbiased.

It is my opinion that there is no quick fix to the employment issue or the deficit problem. It took us decades to get in to this mess, it will probably take decades to get out of this mess. The problem is that there are no politicians interested in a solution that occurs after the next election.

It is a nice fantasy to think that we might have politicians interested in what is best for the country, but the reality is a politician's priorities are

1. Getting him/herself re-elected
2. Getting other politicians of the same party elected/re-elected
3. Furthering the politician agendas of their political party
4. Hindering the political agendas of the opposing political party
99. Doing what is best for the country.

If we could find a politician interested in putting country first, they would never stand a chance of being re-elected, assuming they would be elected in the first place.

Yeah, it is pretty depressing.

[August]

I believe our problems are the natural result of the transition to a world economy. Standards of living have always been tied to economic strength so it necessarily follows that our standard of living has to fall as we increase the strength of the rest of the world.

Now theoretically we should meet somewhere in the middle and start improving together but as long as the third world is run by dictators, commies and holy joe's who keep their populations in the dark ages I just don't see that happening.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Platapus

The electronic engineering facility and assembly plant won't create jobs unless there is a demand not only for their product but also for the product at their price.

No demand = no buying = no selling = no production = no jobs



That's capitalism at its purest. The consumer wants the mostest for the leastest. It may be handy to blame the big evil corporations for shipping jobs overseas, but it is the citizenry right here that made the decision to buy less expensive instead of buy American. We started making this decision in the late 1940's and we have never stopped.

Is it realistic to expect the American consumer to deliberately pay MORE for a product when there is a chance to buy the same (or better) product for LESS? That is not what capitalism is about.

And that is something that American's need to understand. Capitalism does not always work in our favour. It is great when it did, but times change. Buying a product based on where it is produced would be a form of Nationalism, not capitalism. Capitalism, by its very nature, is unfair or at least nationalistically unbiased.

It is my opinion that there is no quick fix to the employment issue or the deficit problem. It took us decades to get in to this mess, it will probably take decades to get out of this mess. The problem is that there are no politicians interested in a solution that occurs after the next election.

It is a nice fantasy to think that we might have politicians interested in what is best for the country, but the reality is a politician's priorities are

1. Getting him/herself re-elected
2. Getting other politicians of the same party elected/re-elected
3. Furthering the politician agendas of their political party
4. Hindering the political agendas of the opposing political party
99. Doing what is best for the country.

If we could find a politician interested in putting country first, they would never stand a chance of being re-elected, assuming they would be elected in the first place.

Yeah, it is pretty depressing.

Except we cant control Chinese ecocnomic standards. And we cant determine prices of chinese goods and services.

If we bring industrial jobs back here, we are able to not only increase quality standards, but increase the minimum wage for workers and cost of these items. The reason the hurt is being put on the average family is because everything BUT their salaries has increased in price. If we somehow manage to increase living wages, decrease prices, rebuild economic development and increase quality then the world will start to shape up back to its pre-2000's height. Of course, simply the fact that the american family can afford to buy the items they make helps countries who sell to us too.

As a country, like Germany per say, would you rather buy slightly more expensive, better quality items made here, where standards are higher, or in china, were you buy dirt cheap worthless items. Capitalism Has failed us, because corporations always go for china. Not only do you buy cheaper and are allowed to sell higher, but the fact that the low quality items break and need replacements much more often mean that your going to make BIG profit at the expense of the consumer. And when a slight breeze of economic downturns roll over, these corporations skyrocket the price. Not because of "decreased supply", but because its a crafty excuse to feed people as to why you skyrocket prices while disproportionately maintaining or decreasing salaries.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

If we somehow manage to increase living wages, decrease prices, rebuild economic development and increase quality

If you can figure out how to do all that at the same time, I will gladly subscribe to your newsletter.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Platapus

If you can figure out how to do all that at the same time, I will gladly subscribe to your newsletter.

Big "if" right?

But shipping jobs back here, enforcing the standards and regulations viciously, and SOMEHOW finding a reasonable median between free and enforced markets, then such a thing might actually happen. These oil companies pump up prices (no lame pun intended) to ridiculous levels, and claim that the oil is "in short supply" when theyre sitting on massive reserves. But in this "free market", where the prices of oil and subsequently everything else skyrocket over the wages we earn, things get messy. When theres only a couple companies truly in business in the food and oil game, there is no one else to turn to. And that means that they can put their prices as high as they want, and people wont have anyone else to turn to. either we somehow manage to make fair restrictions in place to prevent such gouges or we find a way to protect small businesses to compete with giants.

[AVGWarhawk]

Do not shop Walmart. I don't.

[1480]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Do not shop Walmart. I don't.

Why? You would miss out on gems like this "fella":