Afghanistan: Pakistan accused of backing Taliban

[August]

Originally Posted by JU_88

^This.
IMHO the US and it allies should pack up their overseas wars and pre-empted strikes, go home and spend the money on defending their own borders from the inside and maybe also concentrate fixing our goverment debts and broken enconemies.

What and listen to another generation of Brits rag on us for being late to the war against the next hitler that comes along?

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by August

What and listen to another generation of Brits rag on us for being late to the war against the next hitler that comes along?

Lol perhaps...
But maybe we should wait for one of these hitlers to actually perpatrate a 'hitler like' crime first, e.g threatern to invade or attack an neighbouring country with sizable army.
So now Iran has Nuclear program, so? as soon as they get a bomb they will attack is Isreal? is that it?
if that happened it would be open season on Iran from just about every military power across the globe. Iran knows this and I expect they care about their self preservation too.
Israel itself has a sizable military and its the only country in the reigion that already has nukes pointed at everyone. They can bloody well look after themselves.

Our (US and UK) antics over the last decade haven't really accomplished all that much (other than piss most the world off.) Some would argue that we are the hitler.

[August]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Our (US and UK) antics over the last decade haven't really accomplished all that much (other than piss most the world off.) Some would argue that we are the hitler.

Some would but they'd mostly be people who thought 9-11 was an inside job.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by August

Some would but they'd mostly be people who thought 9-11 was an inside job.

Dont think so, I reckon alot the global 9/11 sympathy wore off somewhat after the mess that was Iraq. 9/11 wasnt really a valid pretext to enter any other conflict after Afganistan.
I seriously feel rotten for every solider and civilan who has been killed or maimed in Iraq, to my mind it just wasnt worth it.

[August]

Originally Posted by JU_88

9/11 wasnt avalid pretext to enter any other conflict after Afganistan.

Bull. We had all the pretext we needed when Saddam shot at our aircraft patrolling the no fly zone in violation of the cease fire agreement.

As for world sympathy when did having it ever do us any good?

I seriously feel rotten for every solider and civilan who has been killed or maimed in Iraq, to my mind it just wasnt worth it.

Your feelings are laudable but how rotten would you feel if Saddam having been left in power had taken the revenge we both know he was itching for?

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by August

Bull. We had all the pretext we needed when Saddam shot at our aircraft patrolling the no fly zone in violation of the cease fire agreement.

Which had nothing to do with 9/11....
If everyone waged a full scale invasion under those kind of pretexts, Turkey and Greece would be at war as would North and South Korea, not to mention India and Pakistan and god knows who else, where incidents like that take place frequently.
And its pretty selective if you ask me. If it was Russia or china shooting at one our planes I dont think we would be quite so bold.

Originally Posted by August

Your feelings are laudable but how rotten would you feel if Saddam having been left in power had taken the revenge we both know he was itching for?

Thats very big if#, especially considering he had nothing much to take revenge with. WMDs my foot.

Either our intelligence got it wrong.
or Bush and Blair lied to us.

Take your pick.

[August]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Which had nothing to do with 9/11....

I never said it did. You were the one who claimed that. Personally I saw the removal of Saddam as little more than a case of finishing off ones present enemy in order to concentrate on a new one.

Saddam still in power and growing in strength as western attention waned was a threat not to be ignored.

Thats very big if#, especially considering he had nothing much to take revenge with. WMDs my foot.

Nothing much to take revenge with? Are you serious? How about a few gazillion petro dollars and dictatorial powers? You seriously think that they wouldn't be all he needed?

Either our intelligence got it wrong.
or Bush and Blair lied to us.

Take your pick.

I pick instead that Saddam was the architect of his own fate and that the world is a better place without him.

[Platapus]

Pakistan has been accused of playing a double game, acting as America's ally in public while secretly training and arming its enemy in Afghanistan according to US intelligence.

In other breaking news it appears that not only is water wet but fire appears to be hot.