Is the US Declaration of Independence illegal?

Rockstar · 10-19-11, 01:00 PM

Lawyers, oh brother. Who gives a rats crap what they think. King George III didn't seem to when he agreed by signing a treaty to give the colonies their independence.

If anyone today disagrees with it then go ahead and break the treaty and try to take it back. Wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened in this world.

Go for it, I double dog dare ya.

Betonov · 10-19-11, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

King George III didn't seem to when he agreed by signing a treaty to give the colonies their independence.

Wait, isn't an official document signed by a sovereign of ''the parent'' state the definite proof that the declaration was legal

Or are they just BSing if it weas legal the time it was written

vienna · 10-19-11, 01:12 PM

Way back in my grade school, a nun asked the class, "When is a revolution legal?" None of us ventured an answer. She then said "It is legal if you win." I believed that answer then and I do now. History is written by the victors; we won, we were right, and, our revolution was legal...

TLAM Strike · 10-19-11, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Betonov

Wait, isn't an official document signed by a sovereign of ''the parent'' state the definite proof that the declaration was legal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Paris_%281783%29

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Article 1: Acknowledging the Thirteen Colonies to be free, sovereign and independent States, and that the British Crown and all heirs and successors relinquish claims to the Government, propriety, and territorial rights of the same, and every part thereof;

Betonov · 10-19-11, 01:24 PM

but that makes me wonder, Yugoslavia never signed a ''1991 version of Paris treaty'' thus relinquishing sovereign territory to independent Slovenia. Only a cease fire was declared and soon afterwards the parent state was no more, no treaty was ever made

Oh my god, we are a nation of squaters

Sailor Steve · 10-19-11, 01:31 PM

If the parent state no longer exists, who's going to complain?

vienna · 10-19-11, 01:34 PM

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Ok it's illegal!

God save the Queen!

Congratulations your Majesty you just inherited £9.4 billion in debt!

Betonov · 10-19-11, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

If the parent state no longer exists, who's going to complain?

Austria

There was no treaty with them in 1918

yubba · 12-07-11, 07:28 AM

I heard this months ago but here goes. To the victor go the spoils, in the mood I'm in I'd be more than happy to show you what we did to your red coated ancestors back in the day, but first we got some progressives here at home that think we should be more like europe, to take care of first, I can smell the tar and feathers cooking. Can you smell la la la la la the fear in our government, it won't be long before it turns on us, if it hasn't already, I believe we have been sold out, left holding the bag, snuckered, bamboozeled, ripped off, cheated, lied to, and enslaved to a national debt that we nor our great great grand childeren will ever get out from under I don't know about you but I worry alot about my kids future. Time to get our heads out of our torpedo tubes, the game is a foot.

Or maybe we should give back Germany all the ground it gained in WW 2 because we were a illegitimit country, same goes with Japan, now I get it, that's why Mr. O was going around the world saying he was sorry.

Diopos · 10-19-11, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

If the parent state no longer exists, who's going to complain?

The other offspring of the parent ...

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Oberon · 10-19-11, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Diopos

The other offspring of the parent ...

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Which one?

We were rather...prolific...

JSLTIGER · 10-19-11, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Lawyers, oh brother. Who gives a rats crap what they think.

Thanks for that...as a newly admitted member to the Florida Bar, I really appreciate comments like those.

Maybe I should not bother to visit these forums. After all, no one "gives a rats crap what [I] think."

That being said, this is a pretty inane thing to argue about...illegal or not, the U.S. isn't going back to British possession, so who cares?

Jimbuna · 10-19-11, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JSLTIGER

Thanks for that...as a newly admitted member to the Florida Bar, I really appreciate comments like those.

Maybe I should not bother to visit these forums. After all, no one "gives a rats crap what [I] think."

That being said, this is a pretty inane thing to argue about...illegal or not, the U.S. isn't going back to British possession, so who cares?

Keep a cool head, your in GT

Platapus · 10-19-11, 06:15 PM

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A rebellion is always legal in the first person, such as "our rebellion." It is only in the third person - "their rebellion" - that it becomes illegal.

From the movie 1776.

Lord Justice · 10-19-11, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

No problem....just don't expect the waxed wig

It is ones duty

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

If the parent state no longer exists, who's going to complain?

I sit awake in fear that I shall be called on.

10-19-11, 01:31 PM	#6
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yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	I heard this months ago but here goes. To the victor go the spoils, in the mood I'm in I'd be more than happy to show you what we did to your red coated ancestors back in the day, but first we got some progressives here at home that think we should be more like europe, to take care of first, I can smell the tar and feathers cooking. Can you smell la la la la la the fear in our government, it won't be long before it turns on us, if it hasn't already, I believe we have been sold out, left holding the bag, snuckered, bamboozeled, ripped off, cheated, lied to, and enslaved to a national debt that we nor our great great grand childeren will ever get out from under I don't know about you but I worry alot about my kids future. Time to get our heads out of our torpedo tubes, the game is a foot. Or maybe we should give back Germany all the ground it gained in WW 2 because we were a illegitimit country, same goes with Japan, now I get it, that's why Mr. O was going around the world saying he was sorry. Last edited by yubba; 12-07-11 at 09:14 AM.

10-19-11, 01:00 PM	#1
Rockstar In the Brig Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 12,614 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Lawyers, oh brother. Who gives a rats crap what they think. King George III didn't seem to when he agreed by signing a treaty to give the colonies their independence. If anyone today disagrees with it then go ahead and break the treaty and try to take it back. Wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened in this world. Go for it, I double dog dare ya.

10-19-11, 01:12 PM	#3
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Way back in my grade school, a nun asked the class, "When is a revolution legal?" None of us ventured an answer. She then said "It is legal if you win." I believed that answer then and I do now. History is written by the victors; we won, we were right, and, our revolution was legal...

10-19-11, 01:24 PM	#5
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	but that makes me wonder, Yugoslavia never signed a ''1991 version of Paris treaty'' thus relinquishing sovereign territory to independent Slovenia. Only a cease fire was declared and soon afterwards the parent state was no more, no treaty was ever made Oh my god, we are a nation of squaters