Gilad Shalit: Israel and Palestinians welcome deal

[MH]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

you know, I'm thinking
what if the Palestinians bring the man close to the boarder,
the Isrealies once he gets back, the IDF soldiers open fire and kill those on the other side?

Or, the prisoners who were sent back were slowly poisoned before they were sent away.

I don't know, I'm just thinking randomly right now

I would gladly see all of them dead.
The deal is they will be if returning to terrorist activities.
I hope the government will follow this principle wherever they are.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Poor Mr Shalit, who was simply doing his job has now become a hotpoint for anti zionists to latch onto.

I can't see any reason why especially his fate should promote anti-zionism, can you elaborate why you think so?

Originally Posted by soopaman2

US policy is to blame. Protecting Israel from UN sanctions which cripples any credibility we have left on the world stage...

It's a common myth that the USA is always on Israel's side.
Here is a list from the UN about all Security Council resolutions regarding Palestine - most of them are against Israel: http://www.un.int/wcm/content/site/p...once/pid/11886. All these 89 resolutions were adopted either with a vote for or an abstain vote from the US. Note that these are only about Palestine, other resolutions against Israel, e.g. regarding Lebanon are not listed there.

Here is a list from an anti-zionist website, listing all resolutions against Israel between 1955 and 1992, didn't count it, but it's an arseload. Without the help of America as a permanent member of the UN Security Council, those would not have passed. The same side also lists U.S. vetoes of resolutions against Israel between 1972-2006, I counted a total of 41 for this period.
So, while the US certainly did help to block some resolutions, the US bias for Israel is more rooted in geo-strategical thinking and common denominators than in blind friendship or even a control by Israel.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Out of this first batch being released over 10% are being sent to other countries.
Does anyone have details on which of these are being sent to what countries?

I read on Spiegel Online that Turkey, Qatar and Syria want to take those people who are not permitted (by who is not said) to return to the Palestinian Territories, with Turkey taking 10.

Originally Posted by MH

lol
I'm not sure that even 5 yeas of captivity can make one drink maccabi beer.
Judging by the cruel interview Egyptian forced him to do he is quite OK though.

You're the first person I heard of who says Maccabee is not good. Even from German friends I heard nothing bad, and you know we are extremely critical of foreign beers. I never drank it though, so the best would be sending me a case to get my own opinion

For the Egyptian interview: I don't think it was deliberately cruel, with the intention to make Shalid look bad, this would not fit to the glory rescuing role that Egypt likes to paint of themselves atm.
However this is what it looks when you unleash pesky reporters onto an unprepared target. I am glad that the Israeli press has a Gentleman's agreement to leave him alone for the first two weeks and gives him some time to recover.

Penguin

by who is not said

Israel has the final say in who it releases, where they have to live and if they are subject to further conditions after release.
As well as the 50 who have to go to other countries the other curious cases are those from the West Bank who now have to live in Gaza.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Penguin

You're the first person I heard of who says Maccabee is not good. Even from German friends I heard nothing bad, and you know we are extremely critical of foreign beers. I never drank it though, so the best would be sending me a case to get my own opinion

For the Egyptian interview: I don't think it was deliberately cruel, with the intention to make Shalid look bad, this would not fit to the glory rescuing role that Egypt likes to paint of themselves atm.
However this is what it looks when you unleash pesky reporters onto an unprepared target. I am glad that the Israeli press has a Gentleman's agreement to leave him alone for the first two weeks and gives him some time to recover.

The truth is i haven't drank maccabee beer for years and years.
Just remember some terrible hangovers from it and Goldstar lol.


The Egyptian interview was at least good first indication that Gilad head is on track though.
I felt like kicking this reporter in the face anyway.

[August]

According to ABC news on TV right now the freed Palestinians are already vowing to kidnap another IDF soldier.

[MH]

Originally Posted by August

According to ABC news on TV right now the freed Palestinians are already vowing to kidnap another IDF soldier.

That was to be expected...
They had great orgy prizing killing and murdering accomplishments.

[August]

Originally Posted by MH

That was to be expected...
They had great orgy prizing killing and murdering accomplishments.

Don't get me wrong MH, i'm happy that Shalit is back in the arms of his family in more or less one piece but man, you've handed your enemy a thousand knives. How do you intend to stop them from being plunged into your backs?

[MH]

Originally Posted by August

Don't get me wrong MH, i'm happy that Shalit is back in the arms of his family in more or less one piece but man, you've handed your enemy a thousand knives. How do you intend to stop them from being plunged into your backs?

We don't i think.... but Gilad could not be abandoned in Gaza.
Its not because it lowers army morale or any other crap.
Simply on human level.


The deal is that anyone who returns to terror will be killed.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by MH

We don't i think.... but Gilad could not be abandoned in Gaza.
Its not because it lowers army morale or any other crap.
Simply on human level.


The deal is that anyone who returns to terror will be killed.

I suspect that will be something revisited time and time again.

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by MH

I would gladly see all of them dead.
The deal is they will be if returning to terrorist activities.
I hope the government will follow this principle wherever they are.

what if they secretly had trackers installed or something?

I'm not sure if its doable or not, but if it is I'm pretty sure the Isrealies would do it if its possible. Secretly inject trackers into the prisoners, than release them.

From a more realistic point of view, there is a good chance there is a few mossed agents in the group of prisoners or something.

[MH]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

what if they secretly had trackers installed or something?

I'm not sure if its doable or not, but if it is I'm pretty sure the Isrealies would do it if its possible. Secretly inject trackers into the prisoners, than release them.

From a more realistic point of view, there is a good chance there is a few mossed agents in the group of prisoners or something.

That's KGB grade idea

[Gerald]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15368819