2.3 TRILLION bucks 'missing' from Pentagon on 9/10/01

[mapuc]

This thread, remind me of other discussion I have had and I have asked them this question, wich I also will ask you:

Why are those who believe in the official explanation, so afraid of an independent investigation???

When I read all those "official" believes mocking those who, have a quite different view or believes

i can only come to one conclusion: they are afraid of an independent investigation.

The question is why.

I say make this investigation. Whatever conclusion they may come to, we can take it from there.

Markus

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by mapuc

This thread, remind me of other discussion I have had and I have asked them this question, wich I also will ask you:

Why are those who believe in the official explanation, so afraid of an independent investigation???

When I read all those "official" believes mocking those who, have a quite different view or believes

i can only come to one conclusion: they are afraid of an independent investigation.

The question is why.

I say make this investigation. Whatever conclusion they may come to, we can take it from there.

Markus

Agree, but its never going to happen.
Its too late to re-investigate 9/11, that ship has sailed.
The 9/11 commission report was an insult to those who lost their lives, it may as well have been printed on toilet paper for what its worth.

They actually spent MANY more $$$ investigating Clinton's Affair with Lewinsky than they did investigating 9/11.
And people are 'fine' with that . well ok, whatever.

Americas Air defence system, usually has fighters intercepting within minutes of an aircraft straying off its flight path with out explaination, (yes it really is that good) on 9/11, 4 large airliners were allowed to fly around for the best part of an hour completley unmolested.
No one has recieved so much as a slap on the wrist for this error.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Agree, but its never going to happen.
Its too late to re-investigate 9/11, that ship has sailed.
The 9/11 commission report was an insult to those who lost their lives, it may as well have been printed on toilet paper for what its worth.

They actually spent MANY more $$$ investigating Clinton's Affair with Lewinsky than they did investigating 9/11.
And people are 'fine' with that . well ok, whatever.

Americas Air defence system, usually has fighters intercepting within minutes of an aircraft straying off its flight path with out explaination, (yes it really is that good) on 9/11, 4 large airliners were allowed to fly around for the best part of an hour completley unmolested.
No one has recieved so much as a slap on the wrist for this error.

I'd say it's easy to criticize with 20/20 hindsight. If the USAF knew the intent in the hour prior then the claim there was a failure might be valid. Without that knowledge what response would you have them make?

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by TarJak

I'd say it's easy to criticize with 20/20 hindsight. If the USAF knew the intent in the hour prior then the claim there was a failure might be valid. Without that knowledge what response would you have them make?

Oh its not the USAFs fault whatsoever, I dont think they were told anything until the last moment - Yet NORAD and the FAA knew about the hijackings from almost the moment they happened.
The question is what happened inbetween?

And as for 'No prior knowledge', I wouldnt be so sure about that one, many intelligence servicemen have come forward and stated the opposite, As expected they have been discredited and/or ignored....

[August]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Americas Air defence system, usually has fighters intercepting within minutes of an aircraft straying off its flight path with out explaination, (yes it really is that good)

Care to cite some references to this? I doubt any such system exists as it'd be physically impossible to cover ever inch of US airspace.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Americas Air defence system, usually has fighters intercepting within minutes of an aircraft straying off its flight path with out explaination, (yes it really is that good) on 9/11, 4 large airliners were allowed to fly around for the best part of an hour completley unmolested.

How many times per month are commercial aircraft off course for a few minutes. I don't think we scramble fighters, absent of other information, just because a commercial aircraft strays off course for a few minutes. Especially domestic flights.

If we did, I would imagine we would be scrambling pretty often and that, in itself, would cause problems with air traffic.

I am sure that if we have an unidentified or suspiciously operated aircraft entering out ADIZ we might scramble. But not for domestic flights.

Logistically how would such a plan operate?

[August]

Until that morning a civilian airliner getting hijacked meant a hostage drama, political and ransom demands, maybe a diversion to the classic hijacker destination of the Commie paradise of Cuba, not mass murder.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by August

Care to cite some references to this? I doubt any such system exists as it'd be physically impossible to cover ever inch of US airspace.

Do some reading up on Norad and the FAA. every flight is tracked and every inch is covered, there is no where to hide in US airspace!

[mapuc]

In 2008 or 2009 a danish university build an exact copy of three storey
from the WTC . They let this "building" burn for 3 days. Only thing that happened to it, was that the metal bended.

But no "freefall"

Markus

[MH]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Do some reading up on Norad and the FAA. every flight is tracked and every inch is covered, there is no where to hide in US airspace!

Question is what they had been looking and where-the NORAD i mean.
On what was their focus in normal peace time.

You are talking about possible technical capability.

[August]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Do some reading up on Norad and the FAA. every flight is tracked and every inch is covered, there is no where to hide in US airspace!

There's a big difference between "tracking" and "intercepting" dude.

And like Plat mentions how often are commercial flights off course? You think they scramble fighters every time a 747 diverts around a thunderhead or changes altitude to avoid turbulence?

[magicstix]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Oh its not the USAFs fault whatsoever, I dont think they were told anything until the last moment - Yet NORAD and the FAA knew about the hijackings from almost the moment they happened.
The question is what happened inbetween?

And as for 'No prior knowledge', I wouldnt be so sure about that one, many intelligence servicemen have come forward and stated the opposite, As expected they have been discredited and/or ignored....

Protip: NORAD is a part of the USAF, therefore by definition the USAF knew.


Protip #2: Every inch of airspace isn't (or wasn't rather) covered by NORAD. NORAD ringed around the *perimeter* of North America to protect against Soviet air attack. There's no point in NORAD watching inside American airspace for threats...

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

In 2008 or 2009 a danish university build an exact copy of three storey
from the WTC . They let this "building" burn for 3 days. Only thing that happened to it, was that the metal bended.

But no "freefall"

Markus

All due respect to the Danish University but a miniature is different than the full size original by definition.

I personally know people who saw it happen with their own eyes. I personally know people who worked in all three buildings in the days and weeks prior to the event who would have had to notice any signs of preplanned demolition or other construction. I personally saw it happen on live network TV along with just about every other one of my fellow citizens with access to a TV set on that morning.

You'll forgive me if i'm a bit skeptic that this terrible event was anything besides the terrorist attack we believe it to be.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by Oberon

$2.3 trillion? That's enough for a toilet seat and a hammer isn't it?

"If you call in the next ten minutes, we'll even include a free nail!"

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by mapuc

In 2008 or 2009 a danish university build an exact copy of three storey
from the WTC . They let this "building" burn for 3 days. Only thing that happened to it, was that the metal bended.

But no "freefall"

Markus

Originally Posted by August

All due respect to the Danish University but a miniature is different than the full size original by definition.

...

You'll forgive me if i'm a bit skeptic that this terrible event was anything besides the terrorist attack we believe it to be.

I don't care if it was an exact full copy made with the same "lowest American Bidder" materials. This "experiment" only proves a tower won't ALWAYS collapse when subject to such heat. To try and make any other inference from this experiment is sophistry.

It in no way supports or refutes whether this specific tower in NYC would or would not have collapsed.

Now if someone would built 1,000 or 10,000 exact copies of the towers and subjected each one of them to the exact same heat environment, under actual scientific control, and NONE of them collapsed, then we might be getting at something.

But one three story model? Why even bother?