Flakmonkey's Interior with crew

Jimbuna · 10-10-11, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Is that the depth gauge visible over the shoulder of the guy at the 'scope? If so, can anyone make out the numbers, or compare it to a better picture of the same gauge? Cuz if it's a shallow depth gauge marking off 0-5-10-15-20-25 meters, then the position of the needle would seem to indicate that they're surfaced.

Could well be 'stage managed'...a propaganda picture

Sailor Steve · 10-10-11, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MCHALO12

Operating the machine telegraphe:The animations are of course linked to the related orders.

Cool!

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Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Is that the depth gauge visible over the shoulder of the guy at the 'scope?

It does indeed look like the 25-metre depth guage, and I think you're right. That would by why no one is sitting there.

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Could well be 'stage managed'...a propaganda picture

Probably. It would explain a lot.

SquareSteelBar · 10-11-11, 06:22 AM

Here you see a part of the bench:

I can't imagine that sitting on a saddle looks like that [note the angle]:

Sitting on a saddle this way would rip the helmsman's ass when depthcharged next time...

These authentic pics were taken by Lothar-Günther Buchheim [author of 'Das Boot'] during his patrol on U-96.

I think these saddles in stock SH3 are phantasms of the developers since they couldn't get any docs about the correct seats.

DivingDuck · 10-11-11, 07:42 AM

Moin,

as MCHALO already told I´m no fan of the bench. It looks odd in U995, kinda out of place. So I checked all plans/books I have for evidence.

VII B 1940 --> ?
VII C 1944 --> bench
VII D 1941 --> bench
IX D2 1943 --> bench
XVII K -------> saddle/seat
XVII B -------> saddle/seat
XVII G -------> saddle/seat
XVIII -------> contradicting plans, maybe because different development stages / missing dates on them
XX ----------> ?
XXI ----------> saddle/seat
XXII ---------> saddle/seat
XXIII --------> ?
XXVI --------> saddle/seat
XXIX H ------> saddle/seat
30A ---------> saddle/seat

No bench is mentioned on the plans, but those I have marked as 'bench' have a rectangular / L- shape in the respective position and no saddles.

Those marked with '?' do not have the rectangular / L- shape nor single seats/saddles.

Those marked 'saddle/seat' do clearly show single seats/saddles.

I´ve checked as many plans as I could find to see whether the bench was original design and more or less common. I do not like it, but quite some evidence has been presented to court already. The bench will most probably stay unless MCHALO and I break off over the issue / somebody else re-works this mod after we are finished with it / SubSim.com presents a petition against the bench (I would be first to sign it, LOL).

Regards,
DD

LGN1 · 10-11-11, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SquareSteelBar

I think these saddles in stock SH3 are phantasms of the developers since they couldn't get any docs about the correct seats.

IIRC, U-505 has saddles. Maybe they took it from there

Edit: Found this picture: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-505EnclG437.htm

It seems the saddle could be turned

SquareSteelBar · 10-11-11, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LGN1

IIRC, U-505 has saddles. Maybe they took it from there

Yesterday I had a look at Chicago Museum's site but didn't find any pics of the planesmen station.

Just looked once more - there's one pic that looks like there're leather seats with back rests?

http://www.msichicago.org/whats-here.../dive-trainer/

I think the planesmen felt like sitting in a Porsche...

That's certainly not authentic. It's american luxury...

Or is it a replication of the planesmen station? The gauges and wheels look very weird...

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SquareSteelBar · 10-11-11, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LGN1

...Edit: Found this picture: http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-505EnclG437.htm...

Interesting...

As DD already mentioned: some sub types came with saddles other came with benches.
U-505 was a IXC type.

SquareSteelBar · 10-11-11, 02:41 PM

This guy looks more like sitting on a saddle than the guys in post #224

LGN1 · 10-11-11, 04:26 PM

Hi SSB,

try google (pictures) with 'u 505 before restoration site:subsim.com' and you should see a picture of the old saddle.

Cheers, LGN1

10-11-11, 07:42 AM	#4
DivingDuck Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 902 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 1	Moin, as MCHALO already told I´m no fan of the bench. It looks odd in U995, kinda out of place. So I checked all plans/books I have for evidence. VII B 1940 --> ? VII C 1944 --> bench VII D 1941 --> bench IX D2 1943 --> bench XVII K -------> saddle/seat XVII B -------> saddle/seat XVII G -------> saddle/seat XVIII -------> contradicting plans, maybe because different development stages / missing dates on them XX ----------> ? XXI ----------> saddle/seat XXII ---------> saddle/seat XXIII --------> ? XXVI --------> saddle/seat XXIX H ------> saddle/seat 30A ---------> saddle/seat No bench is mentioned on the plans, but those I have marked as 'bench' have a rectangular / L- shape in the respective position and no saddles. Those marked with '?' do not have the rectangular / L- shape nor single seats/saddles. Those marked 'saddle/seat' do clearly show single seats/saddles. I´ve checked as many plans as I could find to see whether the bench was original design and more or less common. I do not like it, but quite some evidence has been presented to court already. The bench will most probably stay unless MCHALO and I break off over the issue / somebody else re-works this mod after we are finished with it / SubSim.com presents a petition against the bench (I would be first to sign it, LOL). Regards, DD __________________ http://www.filefront.com/user/DivingDuck \| OpenHatch_V3_RH (SHIII)

10-11-11, 06:22 AM	#3
SquareSteelBar Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: U-73 Posts: 1,638 Downloads: 618 Uploads: 0	Here you see a part of the bench: I can't imagine that sitting on a saddle looks like that [note the angle]: Sitting on a saddle this way would rip the helmsman's ass when depthcharged next time... These authentic pics were taken by Lothar-Günther Buchheim [author of 'Das Boot'] during his patrol on U-96. I think these saddles in stock SH3 are phantasms of the developers since they couldn't get any docs about the correct seats.

10-11-11, 02:41 PM	#8
SquareSteelBar Sea Lord Join Date: May 2006 Location: U-73 Posts: 1,638 Downloads: 618 Uploads: 0	This guy looks more like sitting on a saddle than the guys in post #224

10-11-11, 04:26 PM	#9
LGN1 Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,138 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 12	Hi SSB, try google (pictures) with 'u 505 before restoration site:subsim.com' and you should see a picture of the old saddle. Cheers, LGN1