The Limits of Empathy!

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

First - your laying a logical trap. Your asking a finite human with limited knowledge to explain the infinite and all-knowing. Logically - that is impossible. There is no way a human can understand or explain the mind of the Lord.

His question wasn't a logical trap at all. Your answer assumes that there is indeed a God. You don't know this to be true, any more than the atheist actually knows it to be false. Your "logic" is based on faith, and is therefore no logic at all. It only makes sense if it's true, and we don't know that.

However - your questions also make assumptions that are designed to "load" the question. How many miracles are listed in the Bible? How many people lived during those times - compared to today? Who is to say that the Lord is not performing miracles every day (like curing "incurable" cancer") just as many as before? With the population what it is - it simply doesn't "register" on your local news.....

Unfortunately that argument still has the same problem. How many miracles are listed in the Illiad? How many times does cancer just go away for no apparent reason? The answer is that we don't know. You can ascribe it to God. That doesn't make it so. It also doesn't make it not so, but justifying it as if you know for a fact it's real also doesn't make it so. Again, you have no logic or reason to fall back on, just faith. You may be right - I don't know. But to assume you're right and use that as an arguing point is an invalid assumption, faulty logic and bad reasoning.

As for why certain miracles don't happen - again your asking for an explanation of the mind of the Almighty.

No, he's asking why one person claims to have actually seen God when the vast majority have not. Is it because the vast majority of us are evil? Possibly. Is it because the vast majority don't have enough faith, or place their faith in the wrong God? Maybe. Is it because, as you believe, that God's reasons are his own and it's not for us to know, or to question. Could be. I'm not challenging your faith, because I don't know that you're wrong. I am challenging your misuse of reason to defend what no one can see (except apparently the chosen few), and to attempt to explain what you say cannot be explained.

Still, if you choose to believe the Biblical history - there were many times when the Lord provided only to have people turn from Him. Now if you had experienced the same thing over and over - why would YOU continue to provide knowing that it will not bring the people closer to you? Why would you give knowing it would be unappreciated and taken for granted in a short time? Most people wouldn't. Your saying that you expect God to do so - even as you question who and what God is.....How can you have an expectation of something you clearly say you don't understand?[/quote]
Or it's an attempt to explain why bad things happen, and the authors didn't have any more clue that we do. Heartc doesn't have an expectation of God, he just asked why. You don't have an explanation, other than "God works in mysterious ways". That's no explanation at all.

Its good because it fits with His will. The problem here is your trying to apply your limited perspective and ethical view to something much bigger than you. You see the trees, but not the forest.

In this respect none of sees anything at all. People like me ask questions. People like you see every question as a challenge. The problem there of course is that some of the questioners really disbelieve, rather than not believe, and they really are challenging rather than questioning. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'd like to see some genuine evidence, and I haven't yet.

Pharoah was given numerous opportunities to let the Israelites go.

If it really happened at all. There's no evidence outside the Bible.

And people wonder today why AIDS (which initiall primarily afflicted gays and drug users - another group that defiles the body) has proven so hard to eradicate....

I would agree, but I still have to ask: Is there the slightest evidence beyond your belief that this as anything to do with God?

D) The Lord, being infinite, omniscient and omnipotent just doesn't play by the rules you do, doesn't think like you do and doesn't conform to any standard us limited humans can fully comprehend.

Or The Lord doesn't exist at all, and everything is what it is because it is. Again, I don't know that you're wrong, but you keep assuming that you're right. I suppose you have to if you want to continue believing, but you fall far off base when you criticize someone else's "logic".