An End to British Aircraft?

Jimbuna · 09-27-11, 07:49 AM

Terrible news for the British aircraft industry

BAE Systems confirms plans to cut nearly 3,000 jobs

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15073105

Oberon · 09-27-11, 07:53 AM

Aye, I just heard about that on the news, terrible news not just for the British aircraft industry but also for the entire area, there's a lot of employment at BAE. I imagine that if it weren't for the Type 45, Lizzie CV and Astutes that Barrow would be feeling the butchers blade too.
And it's always at the ground floor...

kraznyi_oktjabr · 09-27-11, 08:02 AM

Maybe there is need for another round of industry nationalization.

Like they did with airline business before this globalization and over free market hassle...

Jimbuna · 09-27-11, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

Maybe there is need for another round of industry nationalization.

Like they did with airline business before this globalization and over free market hassle...

Not under Tory rule...they are sellers not collectors.

09-27-11, 09:25 AM

Something is wrong in England, it's been that way since the war ended.
I believe the rot started in the 60s, why, I don't know.

Oberon · 09-27-11, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by sidslotm

Something is wrong in England, it's been that way since the war ended.
I believe the rot started in the 60s, why, I don't know.

One of the biggest crimes in modern British history that...

MH · 09-27-11, 11:29 AM

Common UK you don't need big guns do you?
Make more of your great hi fi systems instead and make them cheaper

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09-27-11, 01:00 PM

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One of the biggest crimes in modern British history that...

Yeah, thats right, Mountbatten was involved, along with Labour.

I worked in engineering all my life until I was 50, one of the big big problems engineering had was that people did not work hard enough. The multinational I worked for invested in new machine tools costing a million each, but the amount of time they were idle was unbelievable, combined with the incomes the people where earning. So I was not supprised to hear the machine tools were shipped to Czechoslovakia and now working out there.

MH · 09-27-11, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sidslotm

Yeah, thats right, Mountbatten was involved, along with Labour.

I worked in engineering all my life until I was 50, one of the big big problems engineering had was that people did not work hard enough. The multinational I worked for invested in new machine tools costing a million each, but the amount of time they were idle was unbelievable, combined with the incomes the people where earning. So I was not supprised to hear the machine tools were shipped to Czechoslovakia and now working out there.

I don't know much about British MI but as far as recall Britain gave up on military aviation development in favor of ballistic missiles during cold war around 60s.
The option of getting American armament contributed to this too.
The eurofighter project as ambitious as it is seems not very cost effective and possibly getting somewhat outdated.

BossMark · 09-27-11, 01:40 PM

Bloody rotten lousy Tories are totally destroying our once great country

, not much more I can say on the subject without getting a warning

papa_smurf · 09-27-11, 01:42 PM

Yet another sad day for British manufacturing, we can but hope that orders for the Euro fighter pick up soon.

Wreford-Brown · 09-27-11, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MH

I don't know much about British MI but as far as recall Britain gave up on military aviation development in favor of ballistic missiles during cold war around 60s.
The option of getting American armament contributed to this too.
The eurofighter project as ambitious as it is seems not very cost effective and possibly getting somewhat outdated.

1965, when the TSR2 was cancelled. The TSR2 filled the criteria that were eventually met by the Tornado, but the Tornado didn't appear until 1979 so the UK used Buccaneers and Phantoms to fill the gap. A(nother) really bad day for British industry.

Oberon · 09-27-11, 01:52 PM

I believe the original plan post-TSR2 was to get some F-111s but the F-111s overrun so much and the cost went up so much that the plan was abandoned.

sidslotm is right though, the will to work has gone out of the UK, I don't know why, some would probably blame it on the benefits system but this problem has been around longer than that. Perhaps it's an over-reliance on technology, I don't know...but we're certainly not the nation of grafters we once were.

Of course, I speak generally rather than specifically, naturally there are exceptions to the rule.

09-27-11, 03:07 PM

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Bloody rotten lousy Tories are totally destroying our once great country

Do you really think either of the other parties would make much difference?

JU_88 · 09-27-11, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Do you really think either of the other parties would make much difference?

Nope.

As much I appreciate have a democracy, no matter which of the two (and a half) major parties are in power is pretty much accademic to me really, I have little faith in the system really.
IMO western democracy is good at giving the people the illusion that they are in control of their government.
Still its better than an outright dictatorship and I wont take for granted that people have fought and died to protect it too.
So.... mustn't grumble, could be much worse....

09-27-11, 07:49 AM	#1
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kraznyi_oktjabr Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Republiken Finland Posts: 1,803 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Maybe there is need for another round of industry nationalization. Like they did with airline business before this globalization and over free market hassle... __________________ You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic. - Dr. House

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MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	Common UK you don't need big guns do you? Make more of your great hi fi systems instead and make them cheaper.

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BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	Bloody rotten lousy Tories are totally destroying our once great country, not much more I can say on the subject without getting a warning __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now

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papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Yet another sad day for British manufacturing, we can but hope that orders for the Euro fighter pick up soon. __________________

09-27-11, 07:53 AM	#2
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Aye, I just heard about that on the news, terrible news not just for the British aircraft industry but also for the entire area, there's a lot of employment at BAE. I imagine that if it weren't for the Type 45, Lizzie CV and Astutes that Barrow would be feeling the butchers blade too. And it's always at the ground floor...

09-27-11, 09:25 AM	#5
sidslotm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Something is wrong in England, it's been that way since the war ended. I believe the rot started in the 60s, why, I don't know.

09-27-11, 01:52 PM	#13
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	I believe the original plan post-TSR2 was to get some F-111s but the F-111s overrun so much and the cost went up so much that the plan was abandoned. sidslotm is right though, the will to work has gone out of the UK, I don't know why, some would probably blame it on the benefits system but this problem has been around longer than that. Perhaps it's an over-reliance on technology, I don't know...but we're certainly not the nation of grafters we once were. Of course, I speak generally rather than specifically, naturally there are exceptions to the rule.