Iranian Official: Iran must get ready for global operations INCL. Europe/Americas

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by MH

EU have problem about what you expect from integration.
You can not make someone from ME German in every way-generally speaking.
In Israel emigration of Jews from Arab countries created ME/Mediterranean flavor to the country.
regardless of common basic values.
It may be a deal in Germany-it used to be a issue here in 60s ans 70s but now its sort of common culture.
I'm sure its big deal for many EU and its not only about Islam
Question is what you expect from integration.
I'm only concerned with radicalism and withdrawal.
One thing is sure ....you can not take millions of emigrants with no common ground and not suffer consequences because there always will be the miserable angry ones.

I'm not sure if you got the irony in my previous post. I thought you were aware that Iranians are in general well integrated here, for various reasons. I referred to the fact that you often see exile Iranians protesting against the appeasement policy the EU has against the regime in Teheran, and they are more concerned about religious fundamentalism because they experienced it first-hand. You even often even see Iranians taking part in counter-protests against demonstrations of arseclowns who praise Hezbollah. So in this is the part where they are not well-integrated, as Otto Normalgerman sadly does not do this.

Integration to me means - like you said - to accept common basic values, mostly the basic rights, expressed in the constitution. If someone wears Lederhosen or not is not my concern.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Integration to me means - like you said - to accept common basic values, mostly the basic rights, expressed in the constitution. If someone wears Lederhosen or not is not my concern.

Accepting common values where they do not exist due to hundreds of years of tradition may be a problem as creating legislations in favor of minorities.
The later just worsen the situation in my opinion.

Otto Normalgerman-why should he care about some yada.. yada.. of crazy Iranian.
He is just a nutcase after all.

[joea]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

Nice. Better get her a Persian Rug rug though. That floor looks cold.

I can be a rug.

Anyway, I wonder if all these crazy statements are meant for domestic consumption in the first place.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by MH

Accepting common values where they do not exist due to hundreds of years of tradition may be a problem as creating legislations in favor of minorities.
The later just worsen the situation in my opinion.

It's not my problem that they come from countries with idiotic traditions. An immigrant can't come and chose only to follow the laws that he sees fitting, the ones which protect him or provide financial support and deny others the very same rights - for example his wife. The equality of women is not a very long tradition here, but it is here now and today. If someone wants to change this, he doesn't belong here.

Laws that favor minorities? Can't think of too many here, other than quotas for disabled. Granted, there is a small line between giving necessary protection and favoring. Personally I can't recall anything from my life where I was discriminated against in favor of a minority - other than the girl who said I was their dream guy if I'd be born in London, but this was more for weird astrological reasons
For example hate speech laws are the same for anyone - though I am no big fan of these laws. Often people complain: "oh, you can say anything about anybody, but not about (insert minority of your choice)". You have to expect the same penalty if you say hang all Bavarians or hang all Greenlanders - at least in theory.

Originally Posted by MH

Otto Normalgerman-why should he care about some yada.. yada.. of crazy Iranian.
He is just a nutcase after all.

It's not that we don't have any people living here with sympathies for nutcases, who share their political and/or religious views and who would like to make this country nutcasier than it already is
For me, too many people don't value freedom much enough to stand up for it and defend it or at least open their mouth.

[MH]

Originally Posted by joea

I can be a rug.

Anyway, I wonder if all these crazy statements are meant for domestic consumption in the first place.

It was directed at anyone wiling to hear.
I'm sure there a many that he appeals to all around the world while the rest dismiss him as JUST crazy.
Genius.

[Skybird]

I wish there would be Western officials saying the West must get ready for local operations ESPECIALLY in Iran.

For early evening light entertainment shows á la Libya and Egypt we have military resources and investements left, but for vital interests which to ignore is self-threatening - we do not care and leave it to an endless chain of words while we get responded with them creating facts and doing deeds...?

[MH]

Originally Posted by Penguin

It's not my problem that they come from countries with idiotic traditions. An immigrant can't come and chose only to follow the laws that he sees fitting, the ones which protect him or provide financial support and deny others the very same rights - for example his wife. The equality of women is not a very long tradition here, but it is here now and today. If someone wants to change this, he doesn't belong here.
.

If you do anything about it it will be sort of ... nazi thing to do.

Emigration should be on trail basis-ten years of trial.
If rules not followed one gets free ride home-nazi again.
Forget about it...just don't let in anyone who is not able to drink beer.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by MH

If you do anything about it it will be sort of ... nazi thing to do.

of course , but as the nazi I am, I can do so.

Originally Posted by MH

Forget about it...just don't let in anyone who is not able to drink beer.

That's the best idea so far!
Don't want to sound like a showoff, but I once had a beer with Mrs Tabatabai: so she passed the test, especially as she praised the good Altbier - we drank another sort. No romantic feelings involved though, we drank together with a bunch of colleagues after work.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Penguin

That's the best idea so far!
Don't want to sound like a showoff, but I once had a beer with Mrs Tabatabai: so she passed the test, especially as she praised the good Altbier - we drank another sort. No romantic feelings involved though, we drank together with a bunch of colleagues after work.

Prhibition is case of all violence and evil in the world.
Muhammad played nasty trick on Muslims-may his name be forgotten hamsa... ....hamsa...