Is this a good thing for kids?

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Problem with this cage fighting business is its teaching those kids that fighting is the first option, when it should be the last.

If the kid is interested in cage fightings as sport, let it be wrestling, boxing

etc.. don't stand in his way with the lit candle discouraging him.

Parents may have their own opinions, but if the kid is interested in sport

(whatever it is) it is applausable!

I never heard that coaches would deliberately teach their learners to

become a trouble makers. Of course coaches and parents must make some

efforts to lead the kid on the RIGHT track as well..

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Krauter

So this is fake to you Skybird?





Wrestling is one of the oldest combat sports in human history. Don't let the Hollywood perversion of it scourge its name.

Oh, I stumbled over the language once again.

In German, by "Wrestling" we exclusively mean the show stuff you see getting done by Hulk Hogan & Co. The kind of sports you show in the video, we call "Ringen".

I was not aware of that in English both things are described by the same term.

Hope this helps.

[Platapus]

eight years is a bit young.

[Stealhead]

I do not think a full contact fighting sport like MMa or Pro level boxing is a safe idea for anyone under 18 years of age.MMA style stuff is a bit too violent in may respects as well things like boxing,wrestling,a specific martial art if taught by a good trainer can teach a kid good discipline I do not see MMA style fighting doing this like I said MMA is really a bit too violent if you ask me it is nothing more than a modern version of Gladiatorial combat(in real life the gladiators usually did not kill each other they where too valuable) viewed by fans who in many cases would never even attempt such things in real life but they enjoy the vicarious violence this is basically the nature of MMA these days and I do not see how learning this is any good for a kid.

[Krauter]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Oh, I stumbled over the language once again.

In German, by "Wrestling" we exclusively mean the show stuff you see getting done by Hulk Hogan & Co. The kind of sports you show in the video, we call "Ringen".

I was not aware of that in English both things are described by the same term.

Hope this helps.

Aah, I apologize also, I wasn't aware the translation was different in German. I figured the rough translation would be similar to wrestling to Lutte/Lucha.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

,a specific martial art if taught by a good trainer can teach a kid good discipline I do not see MMA style fighting doing this

yes, because mma is about one thing: knowing how to hurt somebody as quickly and efficiently as possible. Yes, martial arts in the end are all combat hand to hand forms, but things like kung fu, taikuando, and karate also stress spiritual, ritualized movements, respect, honor, and discipline as well, rather than just simply beating your opponent in the ring.

and besides, if you want to teach your kid how to defend his or herself, teach them krav magah. It's designed for that

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

yes, because mma is about one thing: knowing how to hurt somebody as quickly and efficiently as possible.

No, it's not. The object is not to inflict pain, it's to defeat your opponent using a blend of techniques. This is not necessarily about inflicting pain, you can submit an opponent by placing them in an unwinnable physical position, forcing them to tap. Obviously pain is involved, obviously. But to say the object is only to cause pain is like saying the point of chess is to eliminate all of your opponents pieces.

Yes, martial arts in the end are all combat hand to hand forms, but things like kung fu, taikuando, and karate also stress spiritual, ritualized movements, respect, honor, and discipline as well, rather than just simply beating your opponent in the ring.

MMA is disciplined. There are plenty of rules, obeyed almost always by almost every fighter, just like any other sport. Calling it "no-holds barred" fighting is false.
There is plenty of PR noise between events and fighters, and the business aspect of the sport is quite frankly ridiculous, but in the cage there is discipline and respect.
That some martial arts are older and more respected should not automatically denigrate newer sports.


If I was going to teach a martial art to my theoretical kids, I'd like to do for judo.

[AVGWarhawk]

Calling it "no-holds barred" fighting is false.

I beg to differ. But perhaps I'm thinking of Ultimate Fighting were it truly is no holds barred. No matter, kids 8 years of age in a cage with cheering parents and a medic on hand does not paint a pretty picture nor one showing responsible parenting IMO.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I beg to differ. But perhaps I'm thinking of Ultimate Fighting were it truly is no holds barred.

Again, I disagree. There are plenty of rules in UFC and the fighters obey them. UFC has a reputation as being "no-holds barred", but that's very much untrue. Safer than boxing in some respects.

No matter, kids 8 years of age in a cage with cheering parents and a medic on hand does not paint a pretty picture nor one showing responsible parenting IMO.

I agree with you there. Some things aren't for kids.

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't know Tchocky. I have watched one Ultimate fight. Got darn ugly. Safer than boxing in some respects? I think that is hard to qualify.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I don't know Tchocky. I have watched one Ultimate fight. Got darn ugly. Safer than boxing in some respects? I think that is hard to qualify.

Just something I'm thinking right now. haven't really looked into it. I think it's safer to get knocked out by one hard punch or kick, rather than a continued pounding with a padded glove. If you punch too hard in MMA, you mess up your hand, whereas in boxing you can keep at it longer. Seems like your brain takes much more of a hit with boxing. Also, most punches in boxing are thrown to the head or face, where in MMA the whole body can be a target. That might sound worse in a way, but consider that you can be choked out, wrestled down, pinned, locked or simply held in MMA to lose - whereas in boxing you have to get punched in the head. A lot.

EDIT - I watch a fair bit of mixed martial arts, and almost no boxing. May be talking through my hat here

[AVGWarhawk]

Update:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-just-8-9.html

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Update:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-just-8-9.html

With the video not available to me, the pics in the updated article are the first thing I see about it.

And I don't like what I see. Not one bit of it.

[Tchocky]

Of course you don't like what you see. This is pure Daily Mail bread and butter reporting. It's not worth the bother. They know you don't like it, and that's the starting point of the article - to massage and reassure previously held beliefs, not to impart information.

Thats not to make any judgement on the event or those involved. It could be horrific, it could be evil. But the news report is making the judgement for you, and you know it. Proper journalism does not exist at the Mail.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-15015790

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Of course you don't like what you see. This is pure Daily Mail bread and butter reporting. It's not worth the bother. They know you don't like it, and that's the starting point of the article - to massage and reassure previously held beliefs, not to impart information.

Thats not to make any judgement on the event or those involved. It could be horrific, it could be evil. But the news report is making the judgement for you, and you know it. Proper journalism does not exist at the Mail.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-15015790

I watched the 14 minute video yesterday. I made my own judgement. I don't think this is a proper 'sport' for kids at such a young age.