PETA Plans An Adult Site

[Castout]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

You do realize that there are some women who intensely desire and crave this sort of thing. Puppy play, pony play, etc. There are also women who crave being a sexual slave.

Not all women do, nor should any group or individual promote that all women should be treated as such, but there is no need to slam things across the board when it can simply be 2 (or more) consenting adults in SSC.

In fantasy or playing your fantasy is PERFECTLY fine but NOT in REALITY.

Their campaigning is not a private matter but it is a campaign in public thus has its effect that it is propagating degrading image of women as merely sexual pet for men and that they are just another animal, all under the disguise it is promoting environmental protection and animal rights.(Does animal have rights? They never demanded it, anyway. Surely not to mean a free hand to cause them unnecessary suffering but that's because as an enlightened being we shouldn't)

Greenpeace all the way when it comes to environmental and animal protection.

PETA is when Hugh Hefner goes green which is not far.....if you know what I mean.

[Oberon]

At least they're not the ALF...

[frau kaleun]

Well, I should hope not. Alf eats cats, that's not very PETA-friendly.

[HunterICX]

HunterICX

[Pisces]

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

Well, I should hope not. Alf eats cats, that's not very PETA-friendly.

LOL

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Castout

In fantasy or playing your fantasy is PERFECTLY fine but NOT in REALITY.

Their campaigning is not a private matter but it is a campaign in public thus has its effect that it is propagating degrading image of women as merely sexual pet for men and that they are just another animal, all under the disguise it is promoting environmental protection and animal rights.(Does animal have rights? They never demanded it, anyway. Surely not to mean a free hand to cause them unnecessary suffering but that's because as an enlightened being we shouldn't)

Greenpeace all the way when it comes to environmental and animal protection.

PETA is when Hugh Hefner goes green which is not far.....if you know what I mean.

Wait a second here.... if PETA creates a site that meets the definition of explicit sexual content, then they have to secure it from minors. So its not "in public" - aka accessible to all.

As for making women into sexual pets, you do realize that the PETA subjects of photography and participants in whatever acts they portray are willing subjects, don't you?

One of my girls was accepted @ suicidegirl. She voluntarily sent a set of shots in. When she decides she is ready for a shoot, she will let them know. Everything is voluntary. No one forcing her. In fact, part of my role is to play the "devil's advocate" and insure she is making choices she has clearly thought through, choices that will not harm her (physically, emotionally, professionally, etc). It is something that can be a positive experience for her - if framed correctly.

Look, many here will tell you I am as "right wing" as they come. But your talking about a site where adults will be screened should they want to enter. That is a mandatory thing for an adult site. So the people perusing the site will be doing so by choice. The models will be "performing" out of choice.

You may disagree on a moral stance, but your talking about consenting adults that have the right to do this. As for the whole "but it objectifies women" arguement - your opening up a can of worms there.

Women throughout history have been objectified as sexual objects. Yet women themselves have often been their own worst enemy in this. Who here doesn't know of the office romance that happened so someone could get a promotion, or the wife who witholds herself physically as "punishment" to her husband for some percieved wrong? Sexuality has been a weapon in the gender wars throughout history, and thus sex itself has become an "object" to be gained.

Want to stop the objectification of women? Stop trying to sissyfy men and instead teach them that control starts with self. A man who can control himself has no need to objectify a woman.

[the_tyrant]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

One of my girls was accepted @ suicidegirl. She voluntarily sent a set of shots in. When she decides she is ready for a shoot, she will let them know. Everything is voluntary. No one forcing her. In fact, part of my role is to play the "devil's advocate" and insure she is making choices she has clearly thought through, choices that will not harm her (physically, emotionally, professionally, etc). It is something that can be a positive experience for her - if framed correctly.

Look, many here will tell you I am as "right wing" as they come. But your talking about a site where adults will be screened should they want to enter. That is a mandatory thing for an adult site. So the people perusing the site will be doing so by choice. The models will be "performing" out of choice.

My girls?
Bro, you work in the porn industry?

[CaptainHaplo]

LOL no I don't work in the porn industry.

I simply am not willing to limit myself in my interpersonal relationships. Each person who grows close enough to me for me to consider having a relationship with - knows up front that they are not the only person in my life that I care about. If they go in with that knowledge to start, then I am being honest with them about who I am, and they can decide whether or not it works for them.

It is not "standard" in today's world. In normal society, people of both sexes cheat constantly. They compound the problem by the dishonesty they use when they hide it from their spouse or significant other.

By being honest up front, sure I "scare" away many who would love to be under my guidance otherwise - but I am rather discerning in what I want as well, so this also serves to weed out those that would not work in my "family". Its not about sex. Thats easy to get. Its about relationships, sharing who you are with the people that you choose to care about.

If more people would be honest about what they want and expect in relationships - instead of hiding things out of fear - a lot more relationships would last.....

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Castout

They are campaigning basically that women are just another kind of animal. A pet that should be exploited sexually than anything else.

You are aware that the peta campaigns with naked women are something else than the planned porn site?
The campaign where they put naked women in cages was against animal exploitation, putting a human into a cage should illustrate the living conditions that caged animals have. The nakedness of the girls should draw attention rather than objectify a woman - any sexual connotation was certainly not their primary target in those campaigns. The nudity should illustrate vunerability, as the women have no "protecting shell" around them.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

[...]
Want to stop the objectification of women? Stop trying to sissyfy men and instead teach them that control starts with self.

I agree with most of the statements you made above, didn't want to quote it all, though I am not sure what you mean with the sissyfying of men. Do you mean it in the sense that many men don't dare to flirt/make a move towards women (anymore)?

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

A man who can control himself has no need to objectify a woman.

Yep! This is what escpecially pees me off about cultures who want to hide their women under cloth for "their protection".
I see it as an insult towards males, like "You males are a bunch of primitive animals who you can't control yourselves, that's why we must hide anything that can arouse you." - something which makes rape look like a natural instinct.

[NeonSamurai]

Frankly I think most current hardcore pornography objectifies (and generally degrades) both sexes pretty much equally. I also think that it also degrades the viewer as well. I furthermore think that it has become so mechanical and formulaic that it is not arousing or gratifying, and is even damaging to the psyche.

This is not to say that I think that hardcore is a bad thing (so called feminist pornography I think is better, though i still think it falls into many of the same traps). But the current mainstream format is I think both repulsive and repugnant.

Anyhow I shall stop there as I do not feel that Subsim is the best place to discuss such stuff in any detail.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Frankly I think most current hardcore pornography objectifies (and generally degrades) both sexes pretty much equally. I also think that it also degrades the viewer as well. I furthermore think that it has become so mechanical and formulaic that it is not arousing or gratifying, and is even damaging to the psyche.

I agree 100%.

[kranz]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

I also think that it also degrades the viewer as well.

just wait for Dowly...

edit:well, he was faster than me

[mookiemookie]

PETA's become a caricature of itself. I love animals and animal related charities are my usual donation of choice, but good grief, PETA's a bunch of loons. It's like they've become more interested in shock value, publicity stunts and ridiculous statements just to get their name in the news anymore.

[Sailor Steve]

You say PETA.

I say PITA.

Let's call the whole thing off.

[The Enigma]

YUM