![]() |
SUBSIM: The Web's #1 resource for all submarine & naval simulations since 1997 |
|
![]() |
#1 |
SUBSIM Newsman
|
Russia commemorates 70th years since Leningrad siege
St Petersburg, Russia's second largest city, has commemorated the 70th anniversary of the start of a siege of the city by Hitler's armies during the Second World War.
Then called Leningrad, the German attack was to last nearly 900 days, cost 750,000 lives and led to the horrific suffering of its people. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14849339 Note: 9 September 2011 Last updated at 14:08 GMT
__________________
Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie ![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#2 | |
Let's Sink Sumptin' !
|
![]() Quote:
![]()
__________________
![]() ![]() --Mobilis in Mobili-- |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#3 |
The Old Man
![]() Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Poland
Posts: 1,430
Downloads: 5
Uploads: 0
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#4 | |
Navy Seal
![]() |
![]() Quote:
A meaningful anniversary for me; two of my grandparents (still living) are survivors of the siege. One of my ancestors, a great-great-grandfather, died by starvation. An old man of about 70 at the time, he was on the short end of the already-unlivable rations in December 1941 (100g of bread which was partially made of sawdust). For New Year's (which since the revolution combined New Year and Christmas traditions into one, and became the biggest holiday in Russia since), his family somehow got their hands on about a pound of meat - which must have been worth its weight in gold by that point in the siege. They decided to boil it to make soup for New Year's Eve, and then slowly and carefully consume the rest. In the early hours of December 31, 1941, my great-great-grandfather, driven mad by hunger, snuck into the kitchen while everyone was asleep and consumed that entire piece of meat. As he was starving for over 3 months at that point, his system obviously couldn't handle it. He died in excrutiating spasms the same day. The family was left without their head of household and their holiday meal that New Year's. One of my great-grandfathers was at the front outside the city and lost one of his legs to a Finnish sharp-shooter, who'd probably correctly calculated that shooting a junior Soviet officer in the leg out in the open would attract other targets to his aid. It was some time before help actually did come to him. And with the 'support' that crippled veterans received from the Soviet government in the post-war years, ended up a depressed, violent alcoholic who ruined his family and died far, far before his time just a few years later. One of my grandparents, my grandmother, got lucky but was also exposed to some of the worst Soviet injustice in the siege. She was only 4 years old when it started. It turned out that one of her aunts was the wife of a general, and like many high party and military officials, was secretly receiving and hoarding supplies not accessible to the starving population. She offered my grandmother's family to stay with her, but it was quickly discovered that the aunt had little intention to treat them as family. Rather, they were to do domestic work for her and receive rations. Perversely, some of that domestic work included cooking for said aunt, who guarded her supplies jelaously and would not share anything that they didn't 'earn'. One of the sharpest memories my grandmother has is that of her older sister keeping an eye on when the aunt wasn't in sight in the kitchen, and then grabbing a spoonful of still-boiling rice from the pot on the stove, and sticking it into the poor kid's mouth. It burned, but at least it was a bit of extra food when the rest of the city was dying of starvation. Needless to say, when my grandmother again met the aunt after the war ended, she refused to say even a word to her, and hasn't done so since. It's rumored, however, that her general husband fell out of favour and karma bit back. Probably not true of the many party officials who hoarded supplies and lived more or less normally during the siege while millions around them died. Having grown up in the city, I was always surrounded by reminders of it and, unlike a lot of people, didn't ignore them and gave them their due respect. One of the most important moments from my younger days was standing in the middle of the Piskarev cemetery where 600,000 of the victims of the blockade were buried. It's hard to explain, but it just hit me like a brick wall. Like in that little space, just a few football fields in size, I could hardly imagine 600,000 living people standing. But in the silence of that cloudy day, with almost noone around, I seriously felt like those 600,000 people were all around me, watching my every move. A powerful experience, and one that reminded me that it was indeed not a guaranteed thing for me to be there. Somewhere in there, my great-great-grandfather rested, his grave somewhere in one of the big patches marked only by '1941' or '1942' on a small stone slate. My grandparents had every chance to be among those stones too, and if they were, I wouldn't be around today. That's a feeling of respect for this tragedy that I hope to preserve and convey to other people. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#5 |
Navy Seal
![]() |
![]()
Second longest siege in modern history.
How come the Germans decided not to attack the city directly, like Stalingrad ?? |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#6 |
Navy Seal
![]() |
![]()
It was never in the plans, as far as I know. Hitler had no interest in capturing the city and wanted it destroyed by long-range bombardment and starvation. The Germans had nothing to gain from taking the city, anyway - it would not open them a route anywhere (like Stalingrad would over the Volga) nor help them secure any strategic resources (like Stalingrad would for Caspian oil). Hitler had no interest in the city itself, disliked its connection to the Bolshevik revolution and its relatively large Jewish population, and wanted it wiped off the map.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#7 |
Let's Sink Sumptin' !
|
![]()
Hitler's constant juggling of his forces and vacillating meant von Leeb didn't have the strength to take the city on the move. Hitler finally settled on the final push on Moscow in December 1941 and went with the excuse that he didn't want to feed all those useless mouths in Leningrad anyway, and the starvation a siege would produce would do it for him. So the city was decreed to be destroyed by artillery and bombardment which it was far too large to be destroyed by.
__________________
![]() ![]() --Mobilis in Mobili-- |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#8 |
Navy Seal
![]() Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Stavka
Posts: 8,211
Downloads: 13
Uploads: 0
|
![]()
The Germans had plans for an assault to take the city after the fall of Sevastopol in 1942, but it was canned after the Soviets launched a large counteroffensive at the same time. Following that, I doubt the Germans could afford to concentrate enough forces there to take the city.
__________________
Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#9 | |
The Old Man
![]() Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 1,529
Downloads: 334
Uploads: 0
|
![]() Quote:
![]() I remeber seeing pictures of the Piskarev cemetery in a magazine years and years ago(I think it was Life) and trying to get my mind around the fact that each of those slabs were the resting place of tens of thousands of human bings.
__________________
“Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.” |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#10 |
Fleet Admiral
|
![]()
I've been to their museum, it's pretty somber. @CCIP, great post. It's interesting to hear the personal history.
![]()
__________________
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
|
|