[REL] KZS Hull Wetness for U-Boats

TheDarkWraith · 09-02-11, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 0rpheus

Kapitan - this isn't directly related to the hull wetness mod, but after seeing what you did with this, it made me wonder if you can also implement something else.

When playing in the winter months, I've noticed a rather cool 'ice' effect on merchants and warships - makes them look frosted over from the cold. First time I saw it I thought how cool it was (no pun intended, lol) and I wondered if it would be possible to implement the same effect on a surfaced uboat?

Just a thought, no idea if it's even possible... any thoughts?

ice is defined via a .dds file for a unit. The sub's must be missing this .dds file then

0rpheus · 09-02-11, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

ice is defined via a .dds file for a unit. The sub's must be missing this .dds file then

Hmm, is it possible to add it, do you think, or are those files specifically for the merchant/warships?

TheDarkWraith · 09-02-11, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 0rpheus

Hmm, is it possible to add it, do you think, or are those files specifically for the merchant/warships?

not sure. Haven't looked into anything dealing with it except for how the game showed ice on some ships.

Look in \data\Textures\TNormal\tex and the files ending in _ice are responsible for adding this ice to the ships. If you view them with image editor you'll see how the ice is defined.

0rpheus · 09-02-11, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

not sure. Haven't looked into anything dealing with it except for how the game showed ice on some ships.

Look in \data\Textures\TNormal\tex and the files ending in _ice are responsible for adding this ice to the ships. If you view them with image editor you'll see how the ice is defined.

Will this work in a normal image viewer or will I need a special program? My talents lie exclusively as a writer - I'm appalling at graphics so I very much doubt I'd be any help on this.

If you wanted scripts for a crew dialogue mod to improve the crew 'story', or in fact stories in general then I'm your man - but stuff like this I should leave to the experts!

edit: of course I'm happy to help out with any testing required.

kapitan_zur_see · 09-02-11, 07:27 PM

Sorry lads, been away for a while... Regarding that ice stuff, NOW that's a great idea!!! I Love it!! Many thanks pals! Just as I was out of modding ideas... I'm going to work on that as soon as I get Back after the weekend. That could be quite an eye-candy and immersion thingy!

Will stay in touch for progress! Can't wait to get to it

0rpheus · 09-02-11, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kapitan_zur_see

Sorry lads, been away for a while... Regarding that ice stuff, NOW that's a great idea!!! I Love it!! Many thanks pals! Just as I was out of modding ideas... I'm going to work on that as soon as I get Back after the weekend. That could be quite an eye-candy and immersion thingy!

Will stay in touch for progress! Can't wait to get to it

Awesome!

Can't wait to hear your progress

tonschk · 09-02-11, 07:37 PM

kapitan_zur_see

kapitan_zur_see · 09-02-11, 07:56 PM

Looking at your type VII All wet and icy on a winter grey and overcast morning is going to be quite yummy

kapitan_zur_see · 09-05-11, 12:04 PM

mmm...

Obviously it doesn't work this easily, sadly.

If I try and create an ice texture for the uboat, it simply won't appear ingame. For example, taking Uboat7A_deck.dds, replicate the texture adding some ice on it and renaming it Uboat7A_deck_ice.dds to mimic the file structure for other boats simply don't work and won't show anything.

Apparently, there's some kind of trigger linked to the time period of the year that makes it so the textures switches to their _ice.dds counterpart, but apparently, it won't do so for any textures of any sea object as if it was just checking for the _ice suffix.

Can't find such a trigger anywhere under goblin and GR2 files, I fear it may be hard-coded... TDW, any thoughts maybe?

I'd be interesting in knowing just how the game knows which textures to use for each given 3d model, as it may be there. Hexediting GR2 files maybe...

09-05-11, 01:39 PM

Ice appearing on Units is controlled by Ship Render Controller.
There must be a 3D mesh in said Unit to do this.
Examine the Penguin in Granny Viewer (best for detailed information)
or Goblin. (only allows viewing the Mesh itself)

To have Ice on other Units?
We need to add the needed meshes and more.

kapitan_zur_see · 09-05-11, 04:17 PM

On most detailed ships, the icing effect comprise two things:

indeed a mesh system in the GR2 file, for example one called _ice_hull_X (hide by default in goblin) that is a simple 3d plan where a transparent texture is applied which depict icicles. Same texture is always used and tile repeated.

The overall textures of the boat are switched to their alternative versions ending with _ice.dds . Basically the same textures but with some ice painted on them. (some boats only have this effect and no icicles)

Can't find any controller in goblin called "Ship Render Ctrl", I supposed you meant by that nodes in the GDS_scene tree? Anyway, can't see any controller you could add/modify (like the granny caustic ctrl for example) that is controlling the switching of winter/non winter version.

Must be hardcoded somewhere I presume.

09-02-11, 07:27 PM	#5
kapitan_zur_see Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: France Posts: 614 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	Sorry lads, been away for a while... Regarding that ice stuff, NOW that's a great idea!!! I Love it!! Many thanks pals! Just as I was out of modding ideas... I'm going to work on that as soon as I get Back after the weekend. That could be quite an eye-candy and immersion thingy! Will stay in touch for progress! Can't wait to get to it __________________

09-02-11, 07:37 PM	#7
tonschk Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,200 Downloads: 172 Uploads: 0	kapitan_zur_see __________________ What we do in life echoes in Eternity

09-02-11, 07:56 PM	#8
kapitan_zur_see Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: France Posts: 614 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	Looking at your type VII All wet and icy on a winter grey and overcast morning is going to be quite yummy __________________

09-05-11, 12:04 PM	#9
kapitan_zur_see Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: France Posts: 614 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	mmm... Obviously it doesn't work this easily, sadly. If I try and create an ice texture for the uboat, it simply won't appear ingame. For example, taking Uboat7A_deck.dds, replicate the texture adding some ice on it and renaming it Uboat7A_deck_ice.dds to mimic the file structure for other boats simply don't work and won't show anything. Apparently, there's some kind of trigger linked to the time period of the year that makes it so the textures switches to their _ice.dds counterpart, but apparently, it won't do so for any textures of any sea object as if it was just checking for the _ice suffix. Can't find such a trigger anywhere under goblin and GR2 files, I fear it may be hard-coded... TDW, any thoughts maybe? I'd be interesting in knowing just how the game knows which textures to use for each given 3d model, as it may be there. Hexediting GR2 files maybe... __________________

09-05-11, 04:17 PM	#11
kapitan_zur_see Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: France Posts: 614 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	On most detailed ships, the icing effect comprise two things: indeed a mesh system in the GR2 file, for example one called _ice_hull_X (hide by default in goblin) that is a simple 3d plan where a transparent texture is applied which depict icicles. Same texture is always used and tile repeated. The overall textures of the boat are switched to their alternative versions ending with _ice.dds . Basically the same textures but with some ice painted on them. (some boats only have this effect and no icicles) Can't find any controller in goblin called "Ship Render Ctrl", I supposed you meant by that nodes in the GDS_scene tree? Anyway, can't see any controller you could add/modify (like the granny caustic ctrl for example) that is controlling the switching of winter/non winter version. Must be hardcoded somewhere I presume. __________________

09-05-11, 01:39 PM	#10
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Ice appearing on Units is controlled by Ship Render Controller. There must be a 3D mesh in said Unit to do this. Examine the Penguin in Granny Viewer (best for detailed information) or Goblin. (only allows viewing the Mesh itself) To have Ice on other Units? We need to add the needed meshes and more.