Libya: Doing the right thing for the wrong reasons

[NeonSamurai]

Good will my butt. The powers almost never do anything for good will, or if they did they would be more proactive in countries where genocide is going on, that do not have access to oil or other resources.

No they did this mostly for economic reasons involving oil and military equipment.

Logic dictates it was merely an act of goodwill on the part of France, Britain and Obama.

Oh dear
Reality dictates that the people who backed the "alternative" government are very concerned that their rebels might not be the rebels who get in power and also that their "rebels" might not be able or willing to deliver on any agreements they may have made or implied.

Still look at it on the bright side, there is no suggestion so far that the western backed new regime have really been working for Iran all along

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Good will my butt. The powers almost never do anything for good will, or if they did they would be more proactive in countries where genocide is going on, that do not have access to oil or other resources.

No they did this mostly for economic reasons involving oil and military equipment.

^This

The UN doesn't stick it's neck out if there's nothing to gain from it.

HunterICX

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

^This

The UN doesn't stick it's neck out if there's nothing to gain from it.

HunterICX

Neck, the UN has a neck ?? I always thought you need a spine if you want to have a neck

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Neck, the UN has a neck ?? I always thought you need a spine if you want to have a neck

I stand corrected

HunterICX

[STEED]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

Good will my butt. The powers almost never do anything for good will, or if they did they would be more proactive in countries where genocide is going on, that do not have access to oil or other resources.

No they did this mostly for economic reasons involving oil and military equipment.

No argument from me.

[Jimbuna]

Aye the hypocrisy and double standards are quite embarrassing really

Aye the hypocrisy and double standards are quite embarrassing really

Only if you expect any different.

The UN doesn't stick it's neck out if there's nothing to gain from it.

The UN is only as good as its members, on major issues it is only as good as the big five all want it to be.

[Jimbuna]

Yes I do expect something different but being a realist I doubt I will ever witness any difference in the short term.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by NeonSamurai

No they did this mostly for economic reasons involving oil and military equipment.

They saved many many Libyans lives. I wouldn't care a damn about oil. All I see is that NATO saved lives.

There may be gains that could be made in every revolution but saying Sarkozy helped to rally his waning political support is baseless.

If the temptation was so great at little risk why did the US politicians backing off? Why did the AU not give their support early to the rebels? Why did Russia and China insisted on defending Gaddafi?

WHY? If it was merely about easy oil why the hell did the US politicians backing off from their country's involvement in Libya?

Why the so many people's argument that Libya was going to be a stalemate like Afghanistan and or Iraq? Many even still believe there's going to be insurgency...long persisting insurgency throughout Libya and or that the country is going to descend to prolonged civil war between the rebel factions. Only time will prove them otherwise and time will silent these people.

Now I tell you there is OIL in Syria. Come and get it!!! Why don't they rush? Is it because Syria's military is far tougher but but there's OIL!!! If you said Gaddafi's army wasn't tough why did US back off from their involvement. easy picking right? Oil to be gained after all!

In the end our beliefs make our judgment. And we quite objectively, are quite irrational beings when it comes to opinion.

The fact is the West involvement in libya has saved many Libyan lives and has changed their lives forever. Those people who were once under the burden of servitude and persecution to Gaddafi are now free people. Those who have suffered and suffered a lot now can live in peace as decent human being. If some people decided to betray this revolution to raise another dictatorship then curse them but each revolution is a worthy struggle to be tried.

Oil in my opinion will always profit either this or that foreign faction. If now it will tend to benefit the European bloc then so be it. Everyone gets what they deserve. Cest la vie, happy for these people. AND now the Libyans can enjoy the benefit of their oil rather than the money be pocketed by Gaddafi.

if only the Eqyptians could have a more genuine and lasting revolution. It is true that most systems are run by simple psychopaths(there is never a sophisticated psychopath), defective and failing human beings, functional chaos at best, deterioration to elite anarchy at worst. Self made kings undeserving of such titles, unrefined people who think too highly of themselves, damn annoying little people, regressed and backward.

[Reece]

What ever happened to The Prime Directive?

[Castout]

In all dealings there must be mutual benefits to be gained by all parties otherwise there wouldn't be any deal made.

When deals are made where one side doesn't benefit whatsoever from it it is then called charity.

Now most deals are not charity.

Cest la vie.

Even love today often are not free. People have criteria whom they CAN and CANNOT, WILL and WILL NOT love as marriage is a deal for mutual benefits and not a charity.

So when it is as such on the personal level why the sneers at Libya's intervention when ALL parties involved benefit, especially the millions of Libyans.




If you see someone who helped another person greatly and then say he only helped to get a favor aren't you forgetting(and being a cynic) that that person did help greatly when he could have just done nothing?

Any human being even an evil person knows how to return a favor.

They saved many many Libyans lives. I wouldn't care a damn about oil. All I see is that NATO saved lives.

Did they?

Why the so many people's argument that Libya was going to be a stalemate like Afghanistan and or Iraq?

The arguement was that it was going to be a bloody mess with lots of long running complications.
It is.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Did they?

Have you watched the tv? Gaddafi forces killed more than a hundred people they had detained arbitrarily in a single place when rebels entered Tripoli.
They also killed many already detained peaceful political activists before they fled.

You certainly have the God given brain to think yourself or perhaps you're simply lacking the courage to admit the truth?

This point is really not arguable from your stand of point.

REALLY you want to insist on your really? Simply because it had gone otherwise? It doesn't take a genius to know most Libyans would suffer greatly if the rebels didn't win.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

The arguement was that it was going to be a bloody mess with lots of long running complications.
It is.

Nah they meant it would be a long stalemate.

but to be fair perhaps that was your personal point of view so,

Do you consider loss of lives in war a bloody mess? Is there a single war or arm struggle without the shedding of blood or loss of lives?

Long running complications? Could you please be specific? ANY regime change will bring long running consequences for all involved and complications to some. But ultimately this is not about you or me this is about the Libyans, their lives have become for the better simply by the nonexistence of Gaddafi and his severe regime. So to most Libyans this bring a big RELIEF than complications.

[HunterICX]

Originally Posted by Castout

REALLY you want to insist on your really? Simply because it had gone otherwise? It doesn't take a genius to know most Libyans would suffer greatly if the rebels didn't win.

They'll suffer as much now the Rebels do win, it doesn't take a fool to know that.

They're already executing people they accuse of beeing Gadaffi's Loyalists or Mercenary...so is there any difference between two sides?

HunterICX