Libya war coming to an end. Does it?

Skybird · 08-21-11, 03:32 PM

The fighting right now cannot deceive anyone anymore that in principle it is over. Regular troops are defecting in the streets by the dozens now, leaving behind their uniforms. They are exhausted, demoralised, and out of supply.

Libya has some 130 tribes. Several dozen political and religious groups as well. All of them wanting their share of oil profits, their say in forming power.

That Gaddafi would not be able to hold out forever, was clear. The real interesting things, the real uncertain story starts just now.

On a sidenote, for Germany it is a shame to face. Hasn't Germany's elite claimed that the military action of Britain and France would be unappropriate to make a difference in regime change, making Germany lining up on the side of China and Russia...?

Diopos · 08-21-11, 04:13 PM

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making Germany lining up on the side of China and Russia...?

Cmon Sky, the shift of Germany to the East is obvious years now. There are resources it needs and new markets there. It also accounts, to a degree, for some of its euroscepticism. The Chineese don't need EU funds to buy BMWs do they?

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Skybird · 08-21-11, 04:22 PM

I admit, Diopos, the fourth Rei... I mean the Federal Republic of Germany only tried to save Libya by supporting China and Russia in order to stage a coup in Greece and make it our 17th federal state by financial erosion.

Back to planet Earth. French internet presence of "Liberation" and "Le Monde" reported just minutes ago that rebels claim they had captured Gaddafi's son Seif-al Islam. A name like from a cheap operetta.

News so far not confirmed, though, so take it with care.

Oberon · 08-21-11, 04:25 PM

It does look like a spearhead has made it into Tripoli proper with little resistance.

And is it just me or is Moussa Ibrahim the new Comical Ali?

Skybird · 08-21-11, 04:33 PM

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It does look like a spearhead has made it into Tripoli proper with little resistance.

Three spearheads I think, two from the East and South-East, and one from the South-West. I see a chance that a days-long bloody urban endbattle will be avoided, to me it seems as if the Gaddafi camp is accelerating collapse every hour. If the rebels are clever, they will treat any surrendering soldiers good, not mistreating them. If good treatment becomes known, more of Gaddafi'S troops will feel encouraged to dare the step of just giving up instead of fighting for their lives.

That female TV moderator who swore an oath in a live program from her studio desk, with a weapon in her hand - that made my laugh of the day. Operetta all around, really.

I will miss the crazy outfits and bombastic appearances of the old bastard!

Oberon · 08-21-11, 04:53 PM

Yes, say what you like about him, but his TV appearances were always good for a laugh. I wonder what will become of him? Heck...I wonder what will become of Libya. Probably another Egypt.

Next stop Syria then I guess.

MH · 08-21-11, 04:58 PM

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Yes, say what you like about him, but his TV appearances were always good for a laugh. I wonder what will become of him?

MTV reality star.

Oberon · 08-21-11, 04:58 PM

Sounds like three of Daffys sons are now in rebel hands.

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MTV star.

Meet the Gadaffis

Castout · 08-21-11, 05:19 PM

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On a sidenote, for Germany it is a shame to face. Hasn't Germany's elite claimed that the military action of Britain and France would be unappropriate to make a difference in regime change, making Germany lining up on the side of China and Russia...?

it's all Merkel's fault

. The lady doesn't want to take any risk even when it is for the good of many ppl. She has gained a reputation as risk averse leader. The road of total risk aversion is actually . . . . ironically, risky.

However Germany did send/lend some funds I think. . . . towards the end cough cough cough.

Skybird · 08-21-11, 05:27 PM

German media: the personal guard of Gaddafi has surrendered. Three sons have been arrested. With these arrests the clan has no future in Libya - to catch the sons was even more important than to get the old man himself. The daugther seems to be on the run.

Game over.

Oberon · 08-21-11, 05:28 PM

Two South African aircraft have landed in Tripoli and parked up.

Could be Daffy doing a runner?

Jimbuna · 08-21-11, 05:30 PM

Not long now...possibly this tome tomorrow and it will all be over.

Oberon · 08-21-11, 05:32 PM

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Not long now...possibly this tome tomorrow and it will all be over.

I'd say that give it an hour or two and it'll all be over. Well...the first part of it anyway. It won't all be over for years yet.

MH · 08-21-11, 05:32 PM

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Spokesman Moussa Ibrahim said Gadhafi's government is ready for immediate negotiations with rebels, and has asked NATO to convince the rebel forces to halt the attack on Tripoli.
Speaking on state television, Ibrahim said Gadhafi was prepared to negotiate directly with the head of the NTC.
The head of the NTC said on Al Arabiya television that the rebel fighters will halt their offensive if Gadhafi announces his departure.
Mustapha Abd El Jalil added that the rebel forces would give Gadhafi and his sons a safe passage out of the country.

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Oberon · 08-21-11, 05:36 PM

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I'd say that Daffy is doing a runner right now to that South African plane..if and it's a big IF he is still in Tripoli, which considering his recent speeches have been coming from what appears to be a satellite phone, is debatable.

However, in terms of power, Daffy has none now, he's history, even if he's still in Libya he has lost the capital of Libya, it's a major major propaganda victory for the rebels and his only real options now are to flee across the border, surrender or get on one of those planes to Zimbabwe or Angola.

08-21-11, 03:32 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,660 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The fighting right now cannot deceive anyone anymore that in principle it is over. Regular troops are defecting in the streets by the dozens now, leaving behind their uniforms. They are exhausted, demoralised, and out of supply. Libya has some 130 tribes. Several dozen political and religious groups as well. All of them wanting their share of oil profits, their say in forming power. That Gaddafi would not be able to hold out forever, was clear. The real interesting things, the real uncertain story starts just now. On a sidenote, for Germany it is a shame to face. Hasn't Germany's elite claimed that the military action of Britain and France would be unappropriate to make a difference in regime change, making Germany lining up on the side of China and Russia...? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-21-11, 04:22 PM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,660 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I admit, Diopos, the fourth Rei... I mean the Federal Republic of Germany only tried to save Libya by supporting China and Russia in order to stage a coup in Greece and make it our 17th federal state by financial erosion. Back to planet Earth. French internet presence of "Liberation" and "Le Monde" reported just minutes ago that rebels claim they had captured Gaddafi's son Seif-al Islam. A name like from a cheap operetta. News so far not confirmed, though, so take it with care. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-21-11, 05:27 PM	#10
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,660 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	German media: the personal guard of Gaddafi has surrendered. Three sons have been arrested. With these arrests the clan has no future in Libya - to catch the sons was even more important than to get the old man himself. The daugther seems to be on the run. Game over. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-21-11, 05:30 PM	#12
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,645 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Not long now...possibly this tome tomorrow and it will all be over. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-21-11, 04:25 PM	#4
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	It does look like a spearhead has made it into Tripoli proper with little resistance. And is it just me or is Moussa Ibrahim the new Comical Ali?

08-21-11, 04:53 PM	#6
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Yes, say what you like about him, but his TV appearances were always good for a laugh. I wonder what will become of him? Heck...I wonder what will become of Libya. Probably another Egypt. Next stop Syria then I guess.

08-21-11, 05:28 PM	#11
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Two South African aircraft have landed in Tripoli and parked up. Could be Daffy doing a runner?