Bashing E.P.A. Is New Theme in G.O.P. Race

[razark]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Yessir.

My parents lived in Cleveland in the late '60s. It was the first thing that came to mind when I saw those pictures.

[Armistead]

Wish they would shut the EPA down, everyone in the construction industry could go back throwing mass chemicals on the ground, not have to worry about them stepping on the job. Please shut OSHA down along with the EPA, we should be able to decide for ourselves if employees need safety harnesses working 200ft off the ground, those are expensive. I use to could provide just the belt, so what if they fell and it snapped them into, now law expects a full body harness with a bungi cord...

[August]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Wish they would shut the EPA down, everyone in the construction industry could go back throwing mass chemicals on the ground, not have to worry about them stepping on the job. Please shut OSHA down along with the EPA, we should be able to decide for ourselves if employees need safety harnesses working 200ft off the ground, those are expensive. I use to could provide just the belt, so what if they fell and it snapped them into, now law expects a full body harness with a bungi cord...

You mean the OSHA that fines workers who don't feel like putting on a heavy constricting harness every time they climb an 8 foot ladder?

Maybe you should keep your sarcasm on topic with the EPA. And while you're at it perhaps you can explain why state environmental agencies can't do just as good a job as the Feds?

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by August

And while you're at it perhaps you can explain why state environmental agencies can't do just as good a job as the Feds?

Because pollution from one state with a lax environmental agency could have a serious unwanted effect on the states around it. All it takes is one state to screw things up for everyone.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Because pollution from one state with a lax environmental agency could have a serious unwanted effect on the states around it. All it takes is one state to screw things up for everyone.

So the Feds should get involved only when pollution crosses state lines. The do not have to micromanage all environmental efforts in every state.

[razark]

Originally Posted by August

So the Feds should get involved only when pollution crosses state lines. The do not have to micromanage all environmental efforts in every state.

By the time the pollution crosses state lines, or is identified as having crossed state lines, the problem can be pretty bad.

[Gerald]

Problems must be dealt with now rather than later ... to be able to gain control of emission rights.

So the Feds should get involved only when pollution crosses state lines.

No the federal government should get involved when the federal government gets involved.

The do not have to micromanage all environmental efforts in every state.

But they don't do that anyway.

You mean the OSHA that fines workers who don't feel like putting on a heavy constricting harness every time they climb an 8 foot ladder?

Heavy harness
If you are a real pussy who is very feeble they might be heavy.
So an 8ft ladder, how much free fall would that harness be required to allow for, what is the anchoring point....or is that just typical anti H&S bull you hear every day on any construction site anywhere in the western world.
So like the last OHSA rants about gas cans people are "forced" to use where they are too heavy and too hard to use.......and it turned out the person never had to use it anyway but just wanted to moan

[August]

Originally Posted by razark

By the time the pollution crosses state lines, or is identified as having crossed state lines, the problem can be pretty bad.

So that justifies harassing and imprisoning innocent people who aren't polluting anything?

The EPA was a good idea when it was created but it has since become oppressive and self serving. It's list of regulatory abuses is long and getting longer. Maybe it shouldn't be disbanded but it definitely needs to be reigned in.

So that justifies harassing and imprisoning innocent people who aren't polluting anything?

Perfect case, the idiot was told to stop work and didn't.
He continued after many warnings and was eventually jailed.
Good result, even the thickest idiot would know that brownfield sites can be a bloody nightmare to work with, attempting to work on a brownfield site that you already knew was contaminated by illegal dumping is an exceptionaly silly move.
Removing tires and rusty metal is not "cleaning" a site, dumping of any material onto that site is not "cleaning" the site it is just disguising it.
It is exactly cases like these which led to the creation of the EPA as a unified agency in the first place
August has single handedly shot his own arguement to pieces.
But you have to laugh at the article.......

(Under the Clean Water Act, a child at the beach dumping a bucket of sand into the ocean is technically “discharging a pollutant into waters of the United States” and can be arrested for doing so without an EPA permit!)

....could they misrepresent facts in a more blatently stupid manner? Though you can get how loony the writers are straight away when they call the army corps of engineers the armed wing of the EPA