Ron Paul remains media poison

Onkel Neal · 08-17-11, 11:24 AM

I like Paul for a lot of reasons, but just can't buy into his legal drugs approach.

Sailor Steve · 08-17-11, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I like Paul for a lot of reasons, but just can't buy into his legal drugs approach.

This is one point on which we completely disagree.

Onkel Neal · 08-17-11, 11:29 AM

Oh, I'm sure a lot of people disagree with me on that

That's fine by me.

Sailor Steve · 08-17-11, 11:31 AM

Of course it's fine. If we all agreed there would be no need for any of us.

Off-topic, did you get my PM about my avatar?

Skybird · 08-17-11, 12:03 PM

Amongst all names being mentione by Republicans as possible candidates so far, Ron Paul by a very, very wide margin so far is the most acceptable to me, compared to Perry, Bachman, Romney, or May B. Palin.

Since the compromise deal from two weeks ago, Obama can no longer take reelection for granted. He is damaged, and dangerously so. And the public's acceptance of an ultra-conservative, intellectually handicapped Tea Party demagoge a la Bachmann, seems to have seen a massive rise over the past 12 months or so. A year ago, and earlier, I once said that it is unimaginable that such a figure would win a presidential election, and that such a candidate would be guarantee for the Republicans to lose, and Obama would surely win by just not trying to lose, automatically. How it all has changed - I do not rule out any longer that such a candidate would win the race for the WH. I just would stick to my assessement that this would be the utmost possible political disaster, for the US, for the world, for everybody.

Also compared to Obama, Paul seems to be the probably better candidate to me. So far, he maybe reaslly is nthe best name in the race, of both parties.

But does it really matter...? The next president will be haunted by the same needs, the same relaity, the same problems. No problem will change, no pressure will fade out all by itself, no lobbying of ploitics will decrease, no interest party will go away, no network of old fellas and financial profiteers will fall inactive just because an other name moves into the WH.

Another president has little space to improve ways of going. But he has many opportunities to make things even worse. Maybe one really needs to crave for the big stage or needs to be dumb to the bone in order to voluntarily want that job. Whatever - the deep-rooting corruption in the system and the cataclysmic distortion of once meaningful intentions and values setting up the form of the system, will not go away, no matter who rules in the WH.

So, yes, the presidential election is hopelessly overestimated for sure. We will spend attention to it, yes. We will dance to the music and yell our voices into the show as if it would mean anything.

But it is just that indeed: a show, a spectaculum, a circus duel.

Growler · 08-17-11, 02:04 PM

The punchline of the whole sick joke is, we all already know that the guy in the White House has no real power anyway, not anymore.

I like Paul, and most of his position as well. And even if he were elected, he'd be lucky to get any of it through a Congress more concerned with winning re-election than actually leading.

Platapus · 08-17-11, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Growler

The punchline of the whole sick joke is, we all already know that the guy in the White House has no real power anyway, not anymore.

I like Paul, and most of his position as well. And even if he were elected, he'd be lucky to get any of it through a Congress more concerned with winning re-election than actually leading.

I think you have illustrated a critical qualification for a president. Do they have the ability to "make the deal" with congress?

Any president that thinks they can order congress to do something is in for a rude awakening. The President asks congress and congress always wants something in return. It is called The Deal. Compromise is what the Executive/Legislative branch relationship is all about.

Good presidents can make the deal, poor presidents can't.

It is this demonstrated ability to make the deal that I look for in a potential presidential candidate

CaptainHaplo · 08-17-11, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

And the public's acceptance of an ultra-conservative, intellectually handicapped Tea Party demagoge a la Bachmann, seems to have seen a massive rise over the past 12 months or so. A year ago, and earlier, I once said that it is unimaginable that such a figure would win a presidential election, and that such a candidate would be guarantee for the Republicans to lose, and Obama would surely win by just not trying to lose, automatically.

OK - first off - are you saying that the tea party is intellectually handicapped, or simply Mrs. Bachmann is? Second, why don't you use data to support the assertion, instead of just fling out an insult against someone or some group that you disagree with?

Paul is fiscally a tea partier - its socially and on foriegn policy that he differs from most of them. And the thing is - the tea party isnt ultra-conservative - many an independant and democrat consider themselves as part of the movement.

Skybird · 08-18-11, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

OK - first off - are you saying that the tea party is intellectually handicapped, or simply Mrs. Bachmann is? Second, why don't you use data to support the assertion, instead of just fling out an insult against someone or some group that you disagree with?

Bachmann, Palin and the like are not some of the brightest, they compensate their deficits by being noisy, underhanded and vitriolic. And somebody who feels attracted by a movement and supports a movement that brings up such questionable figures by the high numbers, is unlikely to be much better equipped inside his skull.

Fly with the crows, get taken as a crow. The fool following a fool hardly is the smaller fool just because he trails instead of leading.

AngusJS · 08-18-11, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

OK - first off - are you saying that the tea party is intellectually handicapped, or simply Mrs. Bachmann is? Second, why don't you use data to support the assertion, instead of just fling out an insult against someone or some group that you disagree with?

http://wonkette.com/435940/incredibl...cal-fact-wrong

And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

08-17-11, 11:24 AM	#1
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	I like Paul for a lot of reasons, but just can't buy into his legal drugs approach. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

08-17-11, 11:29 AM	#3
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Oh, I'm sure a lot of people disagree with me on that That's fine by me. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

08-17-11, 11:31 AM	#4
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Of course it's fine. If we all agreed there would be no need for any of us. Off-topic, did you get my PM about my avatar? __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

08-17-11, 12:03 PM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,687 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Amongst all names being mentione by Republicans as possible candidates so far, Ron Paul by a very, very wide margin so far is the most acceptable to me, compared to Perry, Bachman, Romney, or May B. Palin. Since the compromise deal from two weeks ago, Obama can no longer take reelection for granted. He is damaged, and dangerously so. And the public's acceptance of an ultra-conservative, intellectually handicapped Tea Party demagoge a la Bachmann, seems to have seen a massive rise over the past 12 months or so. A year ago, and earlier, I once said that it is unimaginable that such a figure would win a presidential election, and that such a candidate would be guarantee for the Republicans to lose, and Obama would surely win by just not trying to lose, automatically. How it all has changed - I do not rule out any longer that such a candidate would win the race for the WH. I just would stick to my assessement that this would be the utmost possible political disaster, for the US, for the world, for everybody. Also compared to Obama, Paul seems to be the probably better candidate to me. So far, he maybe reaslly is nthe best name in the race, of both parties. But does it really matter...? The next president will be haunted by the same needs, the same relaity, the same problems. No problem will change, no pressure will fade out all by itself, no lobbying of ploitics will decrease, no interest party will go away, no network of old fellas and financial profiteers will fall inactive just because an other name moves into the WH. Another president has little space to improve ways of going. But he has many opportunities to make things even worse. Maybe one really needs to crave for the big stage or needs to be dumb to the bone in order to voluntarily want that job. Whatever - the deep-rooting corruption in the system and the cataclysmic distortion of once meaningful intentions and values setting up the form of the system, will not go away, no matter who rules in the WH. So, yes, the presidential election is hopelessly overestimated for sure. We will spend attention to it, yes. We will dance to the music and yell our voices into the show as if it would mean anything. But it is just that indeed: a show, a spectaculum, a circus duel. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-17-11, 02:04 PM	#6
Growler A long way from the sea Join Date: May 2005 Location: Iowa Posts: 1,913 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	The punchline of the whole sick joke is, we all already know that the guy in the White House has no real power anyway, not anymore. I like Paul, and most of his position as well. And even if he were elected, he'd be lucky to get any of it through a Congress more concerned with winning re-election than actually leading. __________________ At Fiddler’s Green, where seamen true When here they’ve done their duty The bowl of grog shall still renew And pledge to love and beauty.